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Jul 22, 2021

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Many beginner traders want to know what they stand to make as a day trader. On the web, information about how much money you can make as a day trader is hit or miss. After all, how many videos or posts have you seen of traders making enormous amounts of money in short periods of time? Very rarely do you see these traders posting their biggest losses. For that reason, it’s difficult to define a day trading salary range.

Nevertheless, while trading income has many variables, by applying some basic research methods you can actually come to a solid estimate of what a day trader can make based on their locale, starting capital, and employment status.

In this post, we’ll share a number of sources that can provide you clear estimates that you can then use to determine your potential profit potential. Understand that results will vary from person to person.

Day Trading Salary Video

Before we go any further, please take the time to watch this video in its entirety. We’ll break down how much you can “potentially” make based on trading for (1) a company, (2) a prop firm and (3) yourself.After watching the video, read through the detailed write-up to see which method best matches your needs and lifestyle.

Day Trading Salary Caveats

Let’s be honest, many of you reading this are considering going out on your own and are not looking to get a job.

To that point, anyone that tells you a definitive range for a day trading salary is likely pulling your leg.

Many services promise the moon by showing their P/L, and are willing to sell you ocean-front property in Arizona along with those promises.

Now, for all you corporate people that can go to sites like vault.com or talk to your insider friends to gauge how much you can make in a trading job; please do not expect hard numbers from any of these sources.

The reason for this is that there is a host of external factors that play into how much money you can make. Notwithstanding, the time, effort, and experience it will take to become profitable.

In this article, we will rip through all the fluff on the web and get down to cold hard facts. Take your time as we examine the ins and outs of day trading salary expectations.

Day Trading for a Company – What’s Required and How Much Can You Earn?

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You should not take this decision lightly, and you will have to weigh the pros and cons, of course. For starters, trading for someone else will allow you the opportunity to utilize their tools and strategies, which are hopefully profitable.

Trading for someone else can potentially remove the pressures of having to identify both a winning system and a mentor that can help you along the way.

However, if you are not profitable “enough,” be prepared to have more rules thrown at you than when you were in 6th grade.

This level of governance over your trading activity is due to the fact you are using someone else’s money, so make money or get used to someone telling you how to breathe.

The one big upside to day trading for someone else is potential for a base salary. This salary is likely not enough to live on, but you might get a check.

When you go out on your own, there is no salary. You are an investor hoping to make income. We will go into this topic much deeper later on.

Licenses

If you decide to work for a firm and are trading client’s money or potentially interfacing with customers, you will need your Series 7 and possibly your Series 63 license.

Series 7

The Series 7 [1] will give you the license to trade. As of the time writing, the exam costs around $305. and depending on the outfit will be covered by the firm.

Series 63

The Series 63 [2] is the next exam you will need to take after the Series 7. This exam permits you to solicit orders for a stock within a perspective state.

A simple way of thinking about this is the 7 gives you the right to trade on a federal level, and the 63 allows you to work within the boundaries of state laws.

Day Trading Salary Infographic – Employee Expectations

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Generally speaking, you will be required to complete some in-house training program for the firm you represent. For investment houses, you will receive a decent base salary; enough to keep you at the lower middle-class range for New York.

Want to know the best part?

Your base stock trader salary could range from 50,000 – 70,000 dollars US, which is just enough for you to pay your cable bill, feed yourself and maybe take a taxi or two. But this won’t likely cover your dinners, cars, vacations, private schools, etc.

You Must Perform Well

Hopefully you are beginning to see that to be successful, you’re going to need to make your bonus. There is just one catch; you have to make money day trading. Otherwise, you’ll end up on the chopping block.

On the surface, this sounds reasonable because you lower your risk profile by having another income stream of a base salary; however, you have to perform to stay employed, and may only get about 10-30% of the profits you bring in from your trading activity.

If you *need* to be profitable, that creates undue performance pressure and emotional distraction.

BRETT STEENBARGER, PH.D.

Based on these numbers, you would need to make about 300k in trading profits just to break 100k in salary.

If consistently profitable, over time your buying power will likely increase, and you have none of the downside risks since it’s the company’s money. The key is making sure you have a significant amount of money under management.

As you can see in the infographic above, the key to making serious money is to start managing multiple funds. Pull that off, and you might make it into the upper echelon of 576k a year.

Yes you read that right.

Hard Work

This may sound appealing. But remember, it is nothing short of blood, sweat, and tears to get to the top of the mountain.

Many traders, surprisingly, are not competitive at all: they’re drawn to trading because of a perceived easy lifestyle. These are among the least resilient traders. As soon as it becomes clear that trading out of a hole means real work, they lose motivation and interest.

BRETT STEENBARGER, PH.D.

The other point to call out from the infographic is that the average bonus is starting to trend higher. If things go as forecasted, the average bonus will exceed the pre-recession peak in the not too distant future.

Therefore, if one of your goals is to make money, you are looking in the right industry.

Average Trading Salary for a Company

The middle of the road trader can expect to makebetween100k and 175k, if successful. Lastly, if you are below average, expect to get a pink slip.

But wait – there’s more.

If we extend our research beyond New York, you will see the average salary for a “Trader” is around $84,000.

Don’t believe me?

Public Trading Firms

Well, check out this screenshot from Glassdoor.com of over 213 trading salaries [4]. The average salary is coming in at around 84k.

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Now, $84k is nothing to sneeze at regarding salaries.

But you can probably think of quite a few jobs where you can make close to $84k, and it doesn’t require the level of commitment and risk-taking required for trading. Maybe you’re good at IT, coding, a lawyer, etc.

You may be thinking; “this guy just told me a day trading salary could go as high as $250k to $500k if I’m aboveaverage, so where does $84k come into play.”

Well, remember the $84k is the national average.

Let’s brighten things up a bit and look at some of the big boys in the capital markets space, Glassdoor.com data.

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Deutsche Bank’s top traders can get up to $293k.

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Citi’s top traders can make a cool $335k.

Morgan Stanley tops out at $156k.

Remember, these are individual trading salaries. One of the additional points of consideration is that you can rise through the ranks and become a fund manager or even a hedge fund manager.

At that point, your earning potential is through the roof if you can prove yourself as a great individual trader first.

Private Trading Firms

So far, we’ve discussed the salaries for publicly traded companies.

Good luck trying to get accurate data for the elite world of private equity traders. What you will find is often the top traders from the big banks like Chase and Bank of America venture out to hedge funds. They eventually leave for the freedom to make their own trading decisions and the higher pay potential.

Here’s the most important part, with the public firms, corporate goals will often drive a portion of your bonus targets.

In the private hedge fund world, while there are still company goals, you have the opportunity to eat more of what you kill.

It’s nothing for a top trader to out-earn their boss if they bring enough value to the firm.

Plus, you’d get other benefits as well.

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Despite these benefits, there are some disadvantages of working with companies.

Downside of day trading for a company

  • Must engage with clients
  • Office politics
  • On average you only get 20% of profits (Public Firm)
  • Less autonomy to choose your trades

Day Trading for a Prop Firm

Day trading for prop firms can feel a little like living on the edge.

Similar to trading for a larger bank, you will receive some training before the prop firm allows you to trade with their money and have access to their systems. After that, all similarities between trading for a prop firm and a company differ.

Don’t expect any health care of paid time off. You will not have a base salary or annual reviews. The prop firms will more than likely require you to deposit money to start using their platform.

The benefits are that the prop firm will split profits with you anywhere from a third and up to 80%. With that potential for gain share, you have to be willing to give up a salary, and you bear some of the pain when it comes to losses.

But here’s the rub, the reason prop firm traders can make less than those for the investment houses, is their limited access to capital. Since you are likely trading the proprietary firm owner’s money, the pool of funds you have access to is limited. In other words, you’re sharing the pool with other traders in the firm.

An above average trader for a prop firm can make about 150k to 250k a year. Some elite traders at firms like SMB Capital may hit 7 figures.Theaveragetrader will do between 60k and 100k, and underperformers will have so many position limits placed on their account, they are basically practicing and not making any money.

These underperformers will likely remove themselves from the game because practicing does not pay the bills.

Prop Firm Benefits

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Prop Firm Negatives

  • Use your capital to start
  • Limited training
  • No health benefits or paid time off
  • No career progression
  • Only make money off what you bring in

Day Trading Salaries State by State

In addition to the data displayed in the infographic from the Office of the New York State Comptroller, let’s take it a step further to identify the starting salary for an entry-level trading job across the nation.

Remember that $84k is an average of junior trading jobs all the way to the most senior.

This way if you are literally starting out and are offered $50k, you don’t get discouraged. We all have to start somewhere!

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As expected, the average base pay is much lower, but still respectable! If you want to search for your state, simply give glassdoor.com a try.

Day Trading for Yourself – How Much Capital Do You Need?

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Like every budding trader, you’re probably imagining what it would be like to set your own schedule and to reach financial freedom.

As traders, we have thisinnate part of us that only sees the limitlesspossibilities. If you’ve had beginners luck in the market, you’re probably even thinking about quitting your job to go full time.

Psychologists call this the Dunning-Kruger effect. Here’s a great way to visualize this:

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This image should bring you down to earth a little. First off, trading can be worse than a sales job orentrepreneurshipwhen it comes to earning a steady income. The level of uncertainty can be unbearable if you have never gone without a steady paycheck.

In sales, you can have a rough month and just commit yourself to knock on more doors or calling more people until you land the much-needed deal. In day trading more effort does not equal greater results.

Your earning potential is in direct proportion to your starting capital and experience. We discuss how much money you will need in another article. We also discuss what it takes to be successful in another post.

So, let’s break down the numbers in layman terms.

Instead of predicting how much money you can make, we’re going to give you a range of how much you could earn based on your starting trading capital.

Starting Capital of Less Than 50k

If you are attempting to day trade with less than 50k dollars and you have any monthly expenses, you will likely be out of money within 6 – 24 months.

You are probably thinking, ouch that is harsh. But it’s the truth.

Our friendly SEC requires that you have a minimum of 25k to day trade. There are some ways of getting around this, but it’s still a limiting factor.This leaves you with only 25k dollars that you can risk before you run into a roadblock for your trading career.

So just to be clear, you might earn a salary from day trading if you have less than 50k dollars, and some have done this. But by and large the market will simply eat you alive.

It all depends on your education, experience, and strategies.

Starting Capital of 100k – 250k

If you fall within this bucket, you’re likely trading the bulk of your life savings, and you are somewhere between 30 to 55 years of age. Nevertheless, if you have monthly expenses, this may not be enough money to start trading for a living.

With that in mind, and since you’re looking for day trading salary information, let’s throw out some numbers.

  • Average Day Trader Salary = 20% annual return. This breaks down to 20k to 50k for an annual salary.
  • Above Average Day Trader Salary = 50% annual return. This breaks down to 50k to 125k.
  • Elite Day Trader Salary = 100%+. This breaks down to 100k to 250k and beyond

Now consider this: assuming you can even turn a profit like $50k, how do you think making 50k for an entire year sounds when you likely have a mortgage, young children or maybe kids heading off to college?

On top of that, how will you grow your account by adding equity?

Doesn’t sound too promising does it?

Starting Capital of 500k

If you don’t have any supplemental income but want to have a decent standard of living, you’re going to need a substantial amount of trading capital. Yes, we know. It sounds depressing. And honestly, we aren’t trying to crush your dream of becoming a day trader.

Here are some benchmarks to consider to try starting with less than this amount of capital:

  1. If you have another form of income, you can start with less than 500k
  2. No bills and you can start out with less than 500k
  3. If your spouse is going to carry the load while you tackle your new profession, you can start out with less than 500k

For scenarios 1 – 3 above, you can use the golden ratio of 50 to 1; 50 times your monthly expenses in trading capital.

For example, if your monthly bills are 2k US dollars, you will need 100k trading capital.

If you fall outside of the three scenarios listed above, you will need half a million dollars to make it. Let’s break down why you need 500k to make it in day trading.

You Will Occupy a Higher Tax Bracket

You have sweated blood and tears to make money trading and now it’s time to pay your fair share of taxes.

Your income will be taxed as if you worked a regular job.You will not enjoy the same low tax rates of long-term investors. If you live in the US, are married with a few kids, and make 20% on your 100k, you’ll be lucky if you bring home 70k after taxes.

Consider the following capital gains rates for a single person as a rule of thumb:

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Think about this for a moment.

Take the 70k and divide that across 12 months, that leaves you with about $5,800 per month. Now, if you live south of North Carolina or out west in Idaho, this may be enough to take care of a family of 4; however, if you live in DC or any other high-cost area, you’re right on the edge of barely scraping by.

If you are an above-average or an exceptionalday trader, then you may do just fine. The odds are that it is going to take you a few years to get to this point. Just remember that until a Republican makes good on the no capital gain taxes, you will be paying the same taxes you did as an employee.

To learn more about the tax implications of day trading for yourself, head over to Predicting Uncle Sam Day - Trading and Taxes.

You Pay Less Commissions

You’re probably thinking, “but I pay zero commissions with my broker.”

Yes, that may be true on paper. But you’re actually paying more than if you had a direct access broker that wasn’t taking a cut from your order fills by selling them to a middleman.

In order to control your own order flow, most brokerage firms offer a two-tier commission structure.

The trader can either elect to pay a per-share transaction or a flat fee. Assuming you are trading with $500k, this will give you margin of up to $2M.

In other words, you will be trading a lot of shares depending on your strategy. Therefore, you might want to use the flat fee commission approach to reduce your trading costs.

However, some brokers offer heavy discounts for per share commission pricing depending on the amount of shares you trade each month. You can even recoup your money by “adding liquidity to the market.

Here is an example of a per share commission schedule from Cobra Trading.

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As your account value increases, the commissions paid as a percentage of your profits will decrease. Lastly, most brokerage firms will offer lower commissions to clients depending on their account value. This sort of unique offering begins at 250k, so you would easily qualify.

Less Stress on You and Your Family

Why do we mention this?

This one comes from experience. Trust us. It will feel much better having a losing month, drawing a few thousand to cover the bills, but still seeing an account balance of $687,585.90.

It is stressful enough to go through a trading slump; to have to worry about making mortgage payments or supporting a family is too much pressure. The resilient traders prevent the pressures from becoming too great by maintaining healthy cash reserves for those dry periods and by having secondary sources of income wherever possible.

BRETT STEENBARGER, PH.D.

Imagine having a losing month and needing to withdraw $3,000 only to see an account balance of $45,675.87, or $18,000.Imagine how that will make you feel as you approach each trading day. Think about the raw emotions that will pierce through your body as you drop your kids off at school.

Save yourself the headache. Figure out a way to supplement your income or continue to find ways to accumulate the necessary funds to get started.

Time is Not on Your Side

We are strong proponents of the 10k hours of mastery described in the book Outliers to Master Day Trading. Remember, you are trading to be an above-average to elite trader. At the very least you need consistency.

For argument’s sake, let’s assume you are spending 50 hours a week trading and researching your strategy and only take off two weeks per year. This means you will work 50 hours per week for 50 weeks for a total of 2,500 hours.

Now let’s say you are super smart (clearly because you want to take on day trading as a profession) and only need 5,000 hours to master trading. At a minimum, we are still talking about two full years of practice to hone your skills.

Speculation is a hard and trying business, and a speculator must be on the job all the time or he’ll soon have no job to be on.

Jesse Livermore

What do you think your odds of success are if you only have 80k in an account for you to survive this two to three-year learning period?

Is it becoming clear why 90% of day traders fail within the first few years?

Most of it has very little to do with the type of profession we have chosen or how good we are at this game. It just comes down preserving enough capital to survive until you find consistency.

To further illustrate the difficulty of trading, you may consider reading The Day Trading Illusion[5], which is literally devoted to describing the difficulties of day trading. It’s an interesting book because it’s one of the few not glamorizing the business, and gives a different perspective.

This isn’t to discourage you, but it’s always good to hear from other voices.

Balancing Life and Trading the Markets: How Much Do You Need?

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Let’s assume you have decided to trade full-time. What will this mean for you and your family?

For you, deciding to trade may mean a pay cut. You reconcile this with the affirmation that you will be doing what you love. As a happier person doing what he loves, you’ll be a much happier person to be around. Your family and friends will be thankful, too. No one can put a price tag on happiness, after all.

So let’s examine this pay cut.

Assuming you profit anywhere between 20% and 50% a year, you can expect the following as a range for your day trading salary:

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Pause – Wait a Minute

At this point, you are likely thinking all you need is a large sum of money, and all of your day trading salary problems are solved.

If this last sentence describes how you are feeling, you are still going through the “Dreamer” phase of trading. This is where we all sit back and calculate compounded interest coming our way.

We’ve all played this game – be honest.

We say things like, “If I only make 1 percent a day I will have over 10 million dollars in my account in 3 years!”

If you are reading this article and saying that all I need is $250k to 500k and life will be grand, you may be in for a rude awakening.

Can You Make Money with Little Money?

Before you liquidate your 401k and life savings to trade, first ask yourself the question “can I make money with little money?”

This seems so simple on the surface, but there is a lot we need to unpack in that statement.

As a trader, especially a new trader, your level of optimism for how much money you can make will borderline on insanity in the beginning. Think back to our “Dreamer” example, or the Dunning-Kruger effect graphic below:

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What’s the problem with optimism?

Nothing. But, one of the first things new traders should understand is how important it is to turn a profit before sizing up your account.

If you cannot make money trading 5k dollars, you will not make money trading 500k dollars. With a small account, the last thing you will worry about is your day trading salary. Your mind will be less concerned with issues like not wasting an entire life’s savings in the stock market.

If anyone says to you, “Well you need to spend money to make money,” this is generally true. But, tell them to keep their opinions to themselves.

The stock market is the one place where being careless with your money will leave you broke faster than any other investment vehicle known to man.

You may be thining, “Well, how do I day trade with less than 25k?”

There are a ton of options out there, and if you want to learn more about how to do this, please read the blog post –
How to Day Trade with Little Money and Keep Your Day Job

The Conversation You Need to Have with Yourself

Now that we have listed all the stats and have talked through all the possible ways to make great money day trading let’s ask ourselves a really important question.

Why are you even searching for how much money you can make day trading?

Honestly, ask yourself that question.

Intestinal Fortitude

Imagine you are responsible for someone or something. Really think about that, do not just skim over this point.

This could mean someone’s college education, helping with medical bills, or just buying them food.

Now imagine that you are relying on what is completely unpredictable – the stock market, to provide support for the people that matter to you the most.

How does this make you feel? Now, we aren’t trying to scare you by any means. We genuinely want you to walk through this thought exercise with us.

How Long Are You Willing to Wait?

Now imagine that you cannot meet these demands for a month. Then a month becomes six months. Six months becomes five years.

Is this something you are willing to endure?

Are you willing to endure the constant questioning from the people that have every God-given right to question you?

Will you be able to withstand the mental laps you will put yourself through as you go on this journey?

These are the questions that traders ask themselves constantly, even profitable traders. For more help on what it takes to succeed, be sure to read our post on this subject.

Impact of Trump Tax Plan on Day Traders

For the first time in over 30 years, the United States has finally decided to do something about our tax plan.

Before we go any further, while there are a number of winners and losers with the new deal, as a day trader you are likely to come out slightly ahead.

Short-term capital gains are still taxed as ordinary income rate. This will result in a slightly better year-end for us all as the income range has increased across all of the taxable brackets, thus providing tax relief of ~ 2% depending on where you fall.

In case you are unaware of your potential tax obligation, you can reference the below data. Click on the tabs of the graph to visually cycle through the differences in the tax bracket [6].

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Unfortunately, these tax breaks only last until 2025, after which point everything resets back to the existing tax rates.

Until then, we can enjoy a 2% average tax cut.

Why You Should Trust the Process Of Becoming a Winning Trader

Treat trading as any other career that requires hard work, smarts, passion and a bit of luck.

No One Makes “Partner” Overnight

For some reason, day trading is looked at as the lottery of life. Many think it should be easy, when, in fact, learning to day trade is arguably one of the most challenging endeavors you can pursue.

It is baffling that everyone wants to know about all the money to be made but are unwilling to put in the thousands of hours of trade review and practice to get better.

If someone joined a law firm, would you expect them to make a senior partner’s salary in a year?

Of course not!

Why would your immediate earning potential for trading be any different?

Take Things Slowly

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As stated in our other articles, just learn to make enough money to cover small bills first. This could be your cable bill or gas bill. Don’t worry about the person making $250k a year from their boat off the Florida Keys.

Instead of focusing on the $250k you plan on making per year, create a path to profitability.
Do not include time in this path to profitability. Just make it about you progressing in the right direction on a quarterly basis.

Al Hill

Sounds silly, but it’s not.

If you focus on the process of making money the right way, you will be able to scale up to the targets discussed earlier in this article.

When we say the “right way,” we mean no major blow-ups with your account, reasonable risk-taking, and an equity line that keeps trending up and to the right.

How Much are You Willing to Lose?

Make no mistake about it, every single day you will be in a never-ending battle with the best and brightest to make a living.

Instead of focusing on how much you can make per year trading, you need to think of how much you are willing to lose.

Sure, that may sound a bit ironic since this entire article is based on making money. But the important thing is remembering that learning to trade takes time, and tuition is not free.

There are few studies that speak to the profitability of retail traders. A recent study from the Autorite des Marches Financiers (AMF) [7] took a look at profitability across active retail currency tradersin France from 2009 – 2012.

Do you have any idea how many traders were profitable?

Sadly, approximately 1 out of 10 were able to turn a profit.

The study looked at a total of 14,799 customers. Out of this pool of traders, only 1,575 or 11% were profitable. This small group of investors made 17.51 million or $11,117 per account on average.

Let’s unpack that further.

Can anyone reading this article live on $2,779 per year?

Now I realize this is a study from France and is Forex, not equities. But trading is trading.

Therefore, before you claim your $84k payday, figure out how much you are willing to lose before you learn how to trade. We suggest less than $10k and you never, and we mean never, fund this account until you make money on a consistent basis.

There is Hope

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We try to give the full picture of trading, the good and the bad, to paint the reality of what it will take. Trading gurus who promise you the moon are a dime-a-dozen.

It’s borderline criminal the way people make it seem so easy.

Just to go back to the study cited earlier from France. The study did not track performance relative to a person’s trading experience.

To say this a little simpler, let’s imagine we grab 100 random people to see if they can hit a 95 mile per hour fastball.

How many do you think would make contact?

Since I played baseball for many years, I would dare to say less than .5%.

So, the same rule applies to trading. If 89 out of 100 have never traded and then fund a forex account, what do you think will happen?

The real question is how long and how many trades does it take before a trader begins to make money?

Therefore, do not get caught up in these percentages, other than to know you will need to work hard for what you want.

he Trading Lifestyle from the Perspective of a Real-life Trader

The Guardian[8] posted an interesting article on a successful trader. We found it to be on-topic for this article and have developed an infographic that calls out clear themes that can be applied to your existing or future journey in trading.

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There were a few standouts from the interview, which are worth highlighting for our purposes here.

For starters, the trader segmented what it means to be a trader. He spoke of “pure play” traders who react to the market based on what it is showing them. He then classifies himself as a quant that needs time to run quantitative analysis to identify his edge.

Another interesting fact is that the trader does not simply go long or short. The trader hedges every trade he places in order to limit his risk exposure on the account.

It was also interesting that he made a point to clarify that traders are not evil. From the sounds of it, he is trading volume and can potentially have an impact on the price of a contract on the exchange.

Salary Information

This is where things really get interesting. He makes 150,000 British Pounds per year, but his bonus can be many multiples of this value.

If you are ambitious enough to read this article, you are likely more interested in the multiples.

The last standout from the article is that the trader did not like the idea of trading at a hedge fund for the risk of investors pulling their money out at any time.

Be sure to head over to the Guardian to check it out. If you are looking at changing careers or just getting started, it’s always great to hear from a person that worked their way up from the bottom.

Every Story Needs A Nice Ending – The Trader with a 16,600% Return

Everyone loves a great ending.

This story was posted on marketwatch.com and is the story of a trader that turned $600 dollars into $100,000 [9]; just take that in for a second.

That comes out to a whopping 16,600% return.

Don’t even try to deny it, deep down you want this level of success.

Now a couple of key points from the article you should be aware of before you spend your millions:

  • The trader has been at this for over three years.
  • From the look of his profit/loss chart (shown below) March 2014 through November 2015 was unprofitable. That my friends is 21 months of basically grinding before he was able to stabilize himself.
  • He spends a tremendous amount of time reviewing his trades.

Notice how similar this looks to the Dunning-Kruger effect curve?

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One of the main quotes J Park gave in his interview with Marketwatch is that “Traders focus too much on the P&L and not enough on the process.”

What a profound statement. A priceless bit of information.

Don’t worry about the salary or the money. Just focus on being the best trader you can be and do whatever you can to avoid losing your shirt.

Follow these rules and at some point, your equity curve will take off and your dream will become a reality.

But like J Park, are you willing to put in the hard work for two years before seeing any results, or will you take the easy way out like those poor souls trading the Forex in France?

The choice is yours, but sometimes you need to feel a little pain to truly value the pleasure.

The Journey of Figuring Out What You Can Make

It all comes down to this at the end of the day: this is your personal journey to the career or life experience you hope to achieve.

When you really think about it, if you are working for a company, you will likely have a salary, but that salary is minimal compared to the bonuses you could receive from successful trading.

As an independent trader, you aren’t even sales or commission based. Your entire well-being in terms of money coming in is unpredictable.

You also do not have a day trading salary in traditional terms. You are an investor which means you make a return on your money or receive income from your investment decisions.

This is all to say that what you make is solely up to you. There are traders that are content making $500k a year and have no desire to log another trade.

We here at TradingSim know traders that are never happy no matter how much they make on an annual basis.

You have to decide what type of salary (if employed) or income (self-employed) you want to make that will (1) keep you in the game the longest and (2) allow you to live a full life unconcerned with every tick in the market.

In Summary

How much money you can make in the market comes down to two simple things: (1) your ability to profit on a consistent basis and (2) your starting capital.

Please remember you need to first put your focus on turning a consistent profit and not on your earning potential.

Once you learn to turn consistent profits, remember you will need to manage your personal finances, which you can do with a number of free and paid apps.

You may need to stretch your dollar a little further until things stabilize.

We hope you have found this article helpful as you continue along your path of becoming a professional day trader.

Beyond the wealth of content we have on Tradingsim, our flagship product is a market replay platform, which you can use to reach your 10,000 hours of practicein order to become one of the top 10% of traders. You can use our platformto simulate your performance over the last 3 years.

To learn more about how we can help your trading performance, please look at our latest offerings on our homepage or reach out to us at support@tradingsim.com

External References

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  2. Series 63 – Uniform Securities Agent State Law Exam. FINRA.org
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FAQs

Day Trading Salary – How Much Can Top Traders Make | TradingSim? ›

Day Traders in America make an average salary of $116,895 per year or $56 per hour. The top 10 percent makes over $198,000 per year, while the bottom 10 percent under $68,000 per year.

What do top 10% of day traders make? ›

Day Traders in America make an average salary of $116,895 per year or $56 per hour. The top 10 percent makes over $198,000 per year, while the bottom 10 percent under $68,000 per year.

How much money can you realistically make day trading? ›

The profits include commissions, seat fees paid to the trading company, or capital leftover from the trading fees. Due to the unpredictability of day trading, many companies operate a draw commission system with other bonuses. The national average salary of day traders is $67,995 per year.

Can a day trader make 1% per day? ›

No, you cannot make 1 percent a day day trading, due to two reasons. Firstly, 1 percent a day would quickly amass into huge returns that simply aren't attainable. Secondly, your returns won't be distributed evenly across all days. Instead, you'll experience both winning and losing days.

What percentage of day traders can make a living? ›

This is an important point to consider for anyone considering day trading as an investment strategy. Only 3% of day traders make consistent profits. Day trading is a risky endeavor, with only a small fraction of traders able to make consistent profits.

Can day traders be millionaires? ›

Another reason there are few day trading millionaires is that very few succeed at day trading in the first place, and it takes a long time to master. Aside from the statistical improbability that all good traders can be millionaires, there are other more tangible reasons why even great day traders aren't millionaires.

How much do top tier day traders make? ›

Day Trader Salary
Annual SalaryMonthly Pay
Top Earners$132,500$11,041
75th Percentile$96,500$8,041
Average$76,989$6,415
25th Percentile$34,000$2,833

Can you make a living off day trading? ›

The answer is yes. There are half a million people in India day trading for a living. Do you feel day trading is a way to make easy money? Or, you may think it does not need as much work as a regular job.

What is a good return for a day trader? ›

Win rate is interlinked with reward-to-risk. Day traders should strive to keep their win rate near 50% or above; that way, if the reward-to-risk on each trade is 1.5 to 1 or above, you will be a profitable trader. Suppose you can maintain a 1.5 reward-to-risk over 100 trades.

Can you make big money day trading? ›

Can you make money day trading? Most of the time, day trading is not profitable, but it can be profitable. Investors sometimes succeed at predicting a stock's movements and raking in six-figure profits by accurately timing the market.

What is the 3.75 rule in trading? ›

The strategy is very simple: count how many days, hours, or bars a run-up or a sell-off has transpired. Then on the third, fifth, or seventh bar, look for a bounce in the opposite direction. Too easy? Perhaps, but it's uncanny how often it happens.

What is the 1% rule in day trading? ›

This rule means that you must never risk more than 1% of your account value on a single trade. You can use all your capital or more (via MTF) on a trade but you must take steps to prevent losses of more than 1% in one trade.

What is the 2% rule in trading? ›

One popular method is the 2% Rule, which means you never put more than 2% of your account equity at risk (Table 1). For example, if you are trading a $50,000 account, and you choose a risk management stop loss of 2%, you could risk up to $1,000 on any given trade.

What is the failure rate of day trading? ›

These people may have gone on to trade on their own, as a side gig, but they couldn't make enough to live off of. In summary, if you want to make a living from day trading, your odds are probably around 4% with adequate capital and investing multiple hours every day honing your method over six months or more.

What is the failure rate of traders? ›

Key Takeaways. Profitable trading is difficult and successful traders share specific rare characteristics. It is estimated that more than 80% of traders fail and quit.

How many hours a day do day traders work? ›

Most independent day traders have short days, working two to five hours per day. Often they will practice making simulated trades for several months before beginning to make live trades. They track their successes and failures versus the market, aiming to learn by experience.

Who is the most profitable day trader ever? ›

Mark Minervini is perhaps one of the most successful day traders alive today and his list of achievements is astounding. Supposedly, in his worst ever year, he still managed to make a profit of 128% and he managed to make the unbelievable amount of 220% for five years consecutively.

Who are the richest people from day trading? ›

Billionaire traders are the wealthiest in the world, earning more than 1.000. 000.000 dollars from trade assets. George Soros, Carl Icahn, Ray Dalio, David Tepper, and James Simons are the most famous billionaire traders.

What is the day in the life of a daytrader? ›

Day traders spend much of their days scanning the markets for trading opportunities and monitoring open positions, and many of their evenings researching and improving their trading plans.

What are the best states for day traders? ›

Our research shows that New York is the best state in the country for securities traders.
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1. New York.
Total Securities Trader Jobs:135
Highest 10 Percent Earn:$217,000
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What is the best strategy for day trading? ›

Best time Entry One of the most important strategies is the right time entry. The most efficient day trading entry tactic is sturdy support and getaway of strong resistance. The lowest risk entry point with the highest return opportunity is when the stock price hits strong support demand zone.

How many day traders beat the market? ›

Approximately 1-20% of day traders make money day trading. Just a tiny fraction of day traders make any significant amount of money. That means that between 80 to 99% of them fail.

Why do day traders need 25k? ›

One of the most common requirements for trading the stock market as a day trader is the $25,000 rule. You need a minimum of $25,000 equity to day trade a margin account because the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA) mandates it. The regulatory body calls it the 'Pattern Day Trading Rule'.

Is $25,000 minimum for day trading? ›

First, pattern day traders must maintain minimum equity of $25,000 in their margin account on any day that the customer day trades. This required minimum equity, which can be a combination of cash and eligible securities, must be in your account prior to engaging in any day-trading activities.

Can you make 200k a year day trading? ›

Yes, it's certainly possible to make $200,000.00 per year day trading, but you're looking at your potential profit capacity in the wrong way. You need to take into consideration how much money you have available to trade with, known as your initial capital.

Why is day trading so difficult? ›

Volatility - At times, the financial market can be extremely volatile, which makes it extremely hard to operate. Impatience - At times, traders are increasingly impatient when starting their careers. They want to start today and succeed tomorrow. Well, patience its one of the key to succeed as a trader.

Can you make 500 a day day trading? ›

In terms of money, that means not giving up very much profit potential. For example, a part-time trader may find that they can make $500 per day on average, trading during only the best two to three hours of the day.

What is 90% rule in trading? ›

In trading, there is a popular maxim claiming that 90% of traders lose 90% of their money in the first 90 days, otherwise known as the 90/90/90 rule.

What is the 50% rule in trading? ›

The fifty percent principle states that when a stock or other asset begins to fall after a period of rapid gains, it will lose at least 50% of its most recent gains before the price begins advancing again.

What is 8000 rule in stock trading? ›

NUMBERS DON'T LIE. So what does this mean for retail traders? It means you need to avoid buying or selling anything with a Gross Trade Amount less than 8,000 pesos. Otherwise, you will be wasting money on higher commission fees and incurring unnecessary losses.

How do day traders avoid being flagged? ›

Use multiple brokerage accounts to avoid the PDT Rule

When a day trader opens multiple brokerage accounts, they can have an additional three trades for every five days. Because many brokerages have commission-free trading, this can be a viable option to avoid PDT restrictions.

How are day traders taxed? ›

How is day trading taxed? Day traders pay short-term capital gains of 28% on any profits. You can deduct your losses from the gains to come to the taxable amount.

How many times can you day trade in a day? ›

Overview. You're generally limited to no more than three day trades in a five-trading-day period, unless you have at least $25,000 of equity in your account at the end of the previous day.

What is rule 21 in stock market? ›

The relationship can be referred to as the “Rule of 21,” which says that the sum of the P/E ratio and CPI inflation should equal 21. It's not a perfect relationship, but holds true generally.

What is the 60 40 rule in trading? ›

With a 60/40 portfolio, investors put 60% of their money in stocks and 40% in bonds. This diversification of both growth and income has generally provided a safe, mundane way for investors to grow their money without taking on too much risk.

What is the trading 5% rule? ›

In investment, the five percent rule is a philosophy that says an investor should not allocate more than five percent of their portfolio funds into one security or investment. The rule also referred to as FINRA 5% policy, applies to transactions like riskless transactions and proceed sales.

Why do 90% of day traders fail? ›

One of the biggest reasons traders lose money is a lack of knowledge and education. Many people are drawn to trading because they believe it's a way to make quick money without investing much time or effort. However, this is a dangerous misconception that often leads to losses.

Do 97% of day traders lose money? ›

One study of retail currency traders found 70% lose money every quarter on average, and lose it all within 12 months. Another, in Brazil, found 97% of equity futures traders who traded more than 300 days lost money. So a new study saying day trading can be profitable is certainly a challenge to that view.

Why 99 percent traders lose money? ›

“The biggest reason active traders lose money is overtrading, the low brokerage doesn't help," Kamath said.

Why 95% of traders lose money? ›

Many traders don't follow their plan due to their emotions. When their trade starts going in a negative trajectory, people will place their stop-loss lower in hope that their trade will bounce back up. Traders need to know that it takes time to estimate trades before initiating them.

Why most traders don't succeed? ›

There can be many reasons why you are not profitable. It could be discipline issues, psychological factors hurting your trading, or simply having no edge in the markets. Without a trading plan, you will never know what is the cause. But when you have a trading plan you follow religiously, there will only be 2 outcomes.

What percent of traders give up? ›

Our research suggests that about 70 to 90% of traders lose money. It is, of course, impossible to get an exact number, but as a rule of thumb, we believe 70-90% is close to the “correct” ballpark figure.

Can day trading be a full time job? ›

Trading is often viewed as a high barrier-to-entry profession, but as long as you have both ambition and patience, you can trade for a living (even with little to no money). Trading can become a full-time career opportunity, a part-time opportunity, or just a way to generate supplemental income.

Do professional traders do day trading? ›

Professional traders can have other titles, including: Day trader: A professional trader who opens and closes their positions at the start and end of trading each day. Swing trader: A professional trader who works positions over multiple days, hoping to turn a profit from long-term market fluctuations.

How long does it take to master day trading? ›

For the passionate and potentially profitable ones, it'll likely take six months to a year of daily live trading practice before they can master the skills to consistently make money from the market. A few might be lucky and start making money in their first couple of months of practice.

Who is the highest profit day trader? ›

Mark Minervini is perhaps one of the most successful day traders alive today and his list of achievements is astounding. Supposedly, in his worst ever year, he still managed to make a profit of 128% and he managed to make the unbelievable amount of 220% for five years consecutively.

Do day traders make a good living? ›

The answer is yes. There are half a million people in India day trading for a living. Do you feel day trading is a way to make easy money? Or, you may think it does not need as much work as a regular job.

Who makes the most money day trading? ›

Steve Cohen is arguably the most profitable hedge fund trader ever. His SAC Capital returned 30% annually for more than 20 years since its inception in 1992, making Cohen a billionaire. What many people don't know is that Cohen started his career as a day trader, says Steve Burns of New Trader U.

How many people are successful day traders? ›

These people may have gone on to trade on their own, as a side gig, but they couldn't make enough to live off of. In summary, if you want to make a living from day trading, your odds are probably around 4% with adequate capital and investing multiple hours every day honing your method over six months or more.

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