Am I paying tax on my state pension twice? (2024)

Can you tell me if, after my personal allowance has been reduced by subtracting my state pension to create my tax code, I should then be including my state pension amount when I fill in my self-assessment?

I must do a self-assessment because I also get some foreign pension as well as a small UK teacher’s pension here. I always submit the UK teacher’s pension amount and all foreign pensions on my self-assessment return, along with the state pension, each year.

However, now that I know the relationship between the tax code and personal allowances, I realise I am not getting my full personal allowance each year and I feel I am actually paying taxes twice on the state pension

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It does not feel logical to reduce my personal allowance to get the taxes in one instance and then charge me tax on the state pension again in my return.

Am I correct? I will appreciate if you could give me an answer to my query here as it troubles me a lot, even after I spoke to HMRC.

It is all pretty confusing and no one there will give me the reason in writing so I can digest it easily. I hope that you can either let me know if this is worth pursuing or where else I can get help with it.

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Steve Webb replies: The good news is that you are not being taxed twice on your state pension.

As you appreciate, state pensions and private pensions generally count as part of your taxable income. But whether you actually have to pay tax and, if so, how much tax, depends on how your total taxable income compares with your tax-free personal allowance.

To work out your tax bill at the end of the year, HRMC first add up all of your pension income, plus any other taxable income such as income from property etc. Next, they deduct your personal allowance, which is currently £12,570.

If your total taxable income is under your personal allowance, no tax is due.

If your taxable income is in excess of your personal allowance, you pay tax on the excess.

Tax is charged first at the basic rate of 20 per cent and then at higher rates depending on how much excess taxable income you have. (Different rates and allowances apply to things like income from savings and from dividends).

Based on the description above, you are fine to provide HMRC with details of all of your pensions and other taxable income and they will check at the end of the year whether the correct amount of tax has been deducted over the course of the year.

However, what HMRC also do is try to deduct the right amount of tax each month through the year so that no end-year adjustment is needed. And the way that they do this causes some confusion.

For most people, the amount of state pension they get is under the tax threshold of £12,570. (There are some people who get more than this in state pension but they are a minority).

DWP pay your state pension gross – before the deduction of any tax. What HMRC then do is offset all of your state pension against your tax allowance, and then use any unused tax allowance as a tax code to be used by the Teachers’ Pension Scheme and other pension providers.

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You could argue that this means you pay ‘not enough’ tax on your state pension and ‘too much’ tax on your teachers’ pension.

But the only thing that matters is that at the end of the year you have paid the right total amount of tax, and this system produces the correct outcome overall.

To give a simple example, suppose that your state pension is £8,570 per year and you have a private pension of £9,000 per year.

HMRC calculate that with a personal tax allowance of £12,570 you have £4,000 of ‘unused’ tax allowance once they have taken account of your state pension (from which no tax has been deducted by DWP).

They send a tax code for £4,000 to the private pension provider. This means that the first £4,000 of your private pension is tax free and the remaining £5,000 is taxed at the basic rate of 20 per cent.

Over the course of the year you will pay £1,000 in income tax through this route.

As it happens, all of that £1,000 will have been collected by your private pension provider and paid over to HMRC. But at the end of the year HMRC will do a check.

They will say your total income (state plus private) was £17,570, that you had a personal allowance of £12,570, so you have taxable income of £5,000 on which 20 per cent tax was due.

By the end of the year your tax return will show that you should have paid £1,000 in tax and this is exactly the amount which has been deducted on your behalf, so no further adjustment is needed.

I am aware that tax issues can be confusing, especially for those with more complex tax positions.

For anyone of modest means who needs help, I can recommend the charity ‘tax help for older people’ who have hundreds of expert volunteers who freely give their time to help people navigate the system. Their website is here.

Ask Steve Webb a pension question

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He is ready to answer your questions, whether you are still saving, in the process of stopping work, or juggling your finances in retirement.

Steve left the Department of Work and Pensions after the May 2015 election. He is now a partner at actuary and consulting firm Lane Clark & Peaco*ck.

If you would like to ask Steve a question about pensions, please email him at pensionquestions@thisismoney.co.uk.

Steve will do his best to reply to your message in a forthcoming column, but he won't be able to answer everyone or correspond privately with readers.Nothing in his replies constitutes regulated financial advice. Published questions are sometimes edited for brevity or other reasons.

Please include a daytime contact number with your message - this will be kept confidential and not used for marketing purposes.

If Steve is unable to answer your question, you can also contact The Pensions Advisory Service, a Government-backed organisation which gives free help to the public. TPAS can be found hereand its number is 0800 011 3797.

Steve receives many questions about state pension forecasts and COPE – the Contracted Out Pension Equivalent. If you are writing to Steve on this topic, he responds to a typical reader question here. It includes links to Steve's several earlier columns about state pension forecasts and contracting out, which might be helpful.

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Am I paying tax on my state pension twice? (2024)

FAQs

How do I know if my pension is fully taxable? ›

If you receive retirement benefits in the form of pension or annuity payments from a qualified employer retirement plan, all or some portion of the amounts you receive may be taxable unless the payment is a qualified distribution from a designated Roth account.

How much federal tax is taken out of a state pension? ›

Lump-Sum Benefits

A mandatory 20% federal tax withholding rate is applied to certain lump-sum paid benefits, such as the Basic Death Benefit, Retired Death Benefit, Option 1 balance, and Temporary Annuity balance.

How are pensions taxed by state? ›

While California exempts Social Security retirement benefits from taxation, all other forms of retirement income are subject to the state's income tax rates, which range from 1% to 12.3%. Additionally, California has some of the highest sales taxes in the U.S.

How much tax will I pay on my lump-sum pension? ›

Mandatory income tax withholding of 20% applies to most taxable distributions paid directly to you in a lump sum from employer retirement plans even if you plan to roll over the taxable amount within 60 days. Note that the default rate of withholding may be too low for your tax situation.

How much of my pension and Social Security is taxable? ›

Depending on your income, up to 85% of your Social Security benefits can be subject to tax. That includes retirement and benefits from Social Security trust funds, like survivor and disability benefits, but not Supplemental Security Income (SSI).

Do pensions count as earned income? ›

Earned income does not include amounts such as pensions and annuities, welfare benefits, unemployment compensation, worker's compensation benefits, or social security benefits. For tax years after 2003, members of the military who receive excludable combat zone compensation may elect to include it in earned income.

Are state pensions taxable by IRS? ›

Generally, pension and annuity payments are subject to Federal income tax withholding.

At what age do you stop paying taxes on your pension? ›

Taxes aren't determined by age, so you will never age out of paying taxes. Basically, if you're 65 or older, you have to file a tax return in 2022 if your gross income is $14,700 or higher.

Do states tax pension income? ›

State taxation of pension and Social Security income. Meanwhile, 13 states and the District of Columbia fully tax pension income: Arizona. California.

Which states do not tax pensions? ›

No tax on pensions
  • Alabama (does tax 401(k) and IRA distributions)
  • Alaska.
  • Florida.
  • Hawaii (does tax 401(k) and IRA distributions)
  • Illinois.
  • Iowa.
  • Mississippi.
  • Nevada.
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How much can a retired person make without paying taxes? ›

If you are at least 65, unmarried, and receive $15,700 or more in nonexempt income in addition to your Social Security benefits, you typically need to file a federal income tax return (tax year 2023).

How much will my Social Security be reduced if I have a pension? ›

Windfall elimination provision

The WEP may apply if you receive both a pension and Social Security benefits. In that case, the WEP can reduce your Social Security payments by up to 50% of your pension amount.

How do you calculate tax on a lump sum? ›

The formula for Lump Sum Tax Calculation is Lump Sum Annual Amount * Applicable Rate.

How do I calculate my pension payout? ›

Multipliers are sometimes known by other terms, such as “accrual rate” or “crediting rate” but they mean the same thing. A typical multiplier is 2%. So, if you work 30 years, and your final average salary is $75,000, then your pension would be 30 x 2% x $75,000 = $45,000 a year.

What is the 6% rule for lump sum pension? ›

To determine this number, consider the 6% rule: which states that if your monthly pension offer is 6% or more of the lump sum offer, you should choose the perpetual monthly payment option. If the number falls below 6%, you might do as well (or better) by taking the lump sum and investing it yourself.

Are pensions 100% taxable? ›

Are Pensions Taxed? Pensions are usually funded with pre-tax income, so you will pay income tax on all pension payments (unless you contributed after-tax to your pension) upon withdrawal.

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