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What is a professional fee you pay a bank for buying mutual funds?

Moneylife Digital Team19 February 2010

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After the ban on entry load for mutual funds (MFs) by the market regulator, banking channels have become the dominant route for fund companies to distribute MFs, as small distributors are finding it unprofitable to sell these funds.

While banning entry loads, the Securities and Exchange Board of India (SEBI) has asked distributors to disclose the upfront commission to be paid by the investor to the distributor. But banks don’t exactly share SEBI’s idea of such disclosure.

Axis Bank has charged its customers a fee for subscribing to a new fund offer of Axis Mutual Fund. It does not call it advisory fee. It did not disclose it upfront. It calls it a ‘professional’ fee and has charged it to the customer’s account.

“The Professional Fees for Axis Equity Fund NFO was Rs250 as decided by the bank as distributor. All the customers investing in the Axis Equity Fund NFO through Axis Bank were briefed on the services offered and consequent professional fees to be charged by the bank at the time of investment,” said Axis Bank to Moneylife.

However, the customer’s awareness of any such deduction by the bank is open to question (unless a customer himself inquires), and should the charges be deducted as ‘professional fees’?

Clearly, while SEBI has declared that commission paid by the investor directly to the distributor should be transparent, banks have other ideas.

“Banks don’t specify that charges are deducted for sale of mutual funds. The bank should send a debit note specifying the type of professional services they have rendered to the customer. A doctor or a lawyer can charge a professional fee but how can a bank charge professional fee?” asked an independent financial advisor (IFA).

“Some banks take a mandate (signature) from the client, for instance power of attorney (POA). Everything is in the hands of the bank itself. All banks which sell MFs charge some or the other amount from customers like 0.5% of the total AUM (Assets Under Management),” said a chief executive officer (CEO) of an investment advisory firm.

“Upfront commission should not be charged under professional fees. SEBI in its guidelines has stated that banks can charge an advisory fee if the customer knows about it and hands over a cheque to the bank. It should not be deducted directly from a customer’s account. If you take a onetime mandate, it is just like a blank cheque. The customer does not read all the minute details mentioned in a form. If a mandate is taken by the bank, they can deduct any type of charges from the customer’s account,” added the source.

HDFC Bank charges Rs200 as upfront commission for selling a fund. Presently, a majority of banks have tied up with asset management companies (AMCs) to sell funds. Some banks have also appointed a mutual fund advisor who is certified by AMFI. ICICI Bank and HSBC officials could not be contacted for comments and our email queries remain unanswered.

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amitabh narain sinha

1 decade ago

in the year 1962 china attcked india and we were making shoes & clothes in arms factories.the think tanks decided to promote industrialisation by retail participation.unit trust of india came into existance for retail participation.all was well but the lobby of fiis and anti national think tanks forced the sebi to check the retail participation.in my opinion the investor should have option for entry load.investor of india is matured enough but the habit of free lunch will kill the individual financial advisors and then public who will choose to invest in mf will be forced /blackmailed by banks and corporate distribution channels so previous system should be restored but capped with maximum limit of entry load.

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d k seth

1 decade ago

well done u have expose the expolitation of bank. as a/c holder ar jnocent prey to bank. Amfi and sebi should take legal action against them. Finance ministy should be informed of the misused by banks.

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Chetan Bhatia

1 decade ago

Banks are having the last laugh with Mr Bhave's regulation.

The post sale scenario: RM is paid for the SALE & NOT the SERVICING, hence after the investment is done the RM who recommends a product leaves the client in a maze. He never talks of the previous investments done, their status/performance etc. He always approaches the client with new investments avenue either as a represenattive of the same bank or as RM from a new one. So is Mr Bhave listening. His regulations are really good, for whom???

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Roopsingh

1 decade ago

congrats Mr DB Desai for such cool and 'to the point' presentation-but alas,i doubt any one from SEBI will ever comment over this?it is a fact that govt has not thought to abolish commission from post office where most of black money is deposited that too without any documents-are MF brokers step-child of govt?and post office and insurance agents are real kids?why this partiality?to one evry rule is put to ultimate pressure to stop brteathing and to other there are several routes to make illegal gains-is this JUSTICE done by our SECULAR govt?and that too without thinking of consequences that how so mch of IFAs will survivedid they made any second thought.Mr Bhave had in mind that he would be awarded some MEDALS for such sweeping changes-but he has been proved a FOOL after consequences pertaining and now he has lost courage to admit that it is a mistake-a big one-he has benifited only capables and tried to remove competetion and monopolise the MF industry to few AMC"s and few national distributors-i hope some one from finance ministry will come to realise the ground situation in coming times to recorrect the mistake SEBI has done-

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DB DESAI

1 decade ago

The decision of SEBI is in line with usual practice of all regulators/Govt.s in India where serious, proper thinking and long term views keeping in mind interests of all the concerned is never given. Everything is done in bits and pieces. Most of the times we find that personal views are mixed with the business of governance. Rather than originating and developing genuine ideas relevant with indian conditions an effort is always made to copy something which has seen success in different conditions geographically, technologically, economically, culturally and also in terms of administratively. This has happened in banking and other financial services industries. Regulation after regulation is made to patch up the loopholes in the original regulations.

We proudly say that india is united even after too much of diversity. This diversity is historical and not under our control to change suddenly. But making regulations affecting all the people in India equally can easily be made to reduce this diversity and discrimination. In the present context I am referring to multiple regulatiors for financial sector and different provisions for apparently same type of business. There must be a unified regulator or at least an apex body to see that a single regulator is not acting against the interest of the industry/people/channels and in confrontation with the competitors.

As far as SEBI's decision is concerned, IFAs working in rurual/.semiurban ares are hit the most. That too without any fault of theirs. If major business is coming from Banks and National Distributrs then majority of problems or reasons for which this decision has been taken as a solution, can be attributed to the practices followed by these participants of the industry. Once the regulation is given effect it was the responsibility of SEBI/AMFI/AMCs to educate the customers and public in general. I agree that no industry should be run/developed to protect the interest of the Channel partners but it should be for the interest of the beneficiaries. But at the same time it must be kep in mind that channels are as important as the product and the beneficiaries. Why then the Govt. is having so many departments/agencies including SEBI and why the Govt. is spending so much of money on them? To deliver what the Govt. has palnned for the people. If SEBI or GOVT. is so keen on welfare of the common people do we find any effort to curb the GOVT. expenditure? A parrellel can be found in the field of education, transportation, telecommunication, medical fields which are very much important and even life saving for the people where the channels are earning any amount and there is no one to control. I guess people are spending more amount on availing of the services from these sectors than investing in mutual funds. It is said that around 5% of investments are done in equity/equity mutual funds. What about 95% money which is invested in Post Office, Insurance, Banks etc. where the investors are charged albeit unknowingly?

I feel rather than abolishing entry load, it should have been better regulated, similar regulation should have been made application to other financial products and a mechanism to punish the errant participant of the market should have been thought.

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mohan bhatia

1 decade ago

the last question the MF investor should ask Mr. BHAVE the so called SEBI chairman is that '' how much he took uniertable bribe from all current beneficiaries of this MF regime-where no retail investor has benifited-the main benificiaries r private banks and national distributors-now it seems that CBI must probe into this scam of MF regime to get all evidence what was all cooked.in this whole process-bcos no retail investor is happy with current setup-so Mr Bhave muct be raided and questioned for all this turmoil-i am sure he would find difficult to answer CBI questions-after all many SEBI officials are engaged in high level corruption.

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Suresh Sadagopan

1 decade ago

What has been created by SEBI now is an uneven playing field, where banks have access to their client's bank accounts where they can debit charges ( after getting a mandate which runs into 30 pages, which noone reads! ) and the individual distributor and others have to take a separate cheque for services.

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Raju Bhatia

1 decade ago

Dear All,

Very good article. Infact, I have just understood that the collection of AXIS Bank in the AXIS Equity Fund NFO, was to the tune of Rs. 720 crs....out of the total collection of 950 odd crs...indicating a clear trend that SEBI's directives are leading mutual distribution towards monopolistic marketing... a scary situation if it can be extrpolated.

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gaurav(ARN21419)

1 decade ago

These Big companies are making fools of people , Coustmors are unawer of these fees . 75% or more who invested in MF /ULIP dont know actually where he is investing .
SEBI has taken a arbitrary step of upfront comission , Ultimately loss will be of Investor who will invest in ULIPs rather than MF

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K NARAYANAN

1 decade ago

Just like policemen and govt.servants are authorised to loot to provide services,pvt sector banks like Axis bank find some loop hole in the legal system and indulge in petty crimes like pick pocketing.It is very difficult,time consuming and costly to recover the money from them and hence most of us grumble or write letters to the editor and send e-mail like this and bear with the problem.The banks and mobile companies/durable consumer goods co etc know about our legal system and happily loot.That is why you need to be well educated -preferably MBA(Member of the Bandits Association) to be employed in senior positions in such pvt organisations so that you can loot for the company and share a part of the loot as salary and commission/incentive.Unless the system provides for easy and quick redressal of such problems there is no solution.Sometime back Mr Shah Rukh khan said "Don't try to curtail your expenditure,but aim to earn enough to cover the expenditure." So don't bother about the looting by the banks.You also join some looters as well paid employee and pay off such small charges.Amen!

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Amalaraj Marian

1 decade ago

What Sebi tried to do is a situation of who is going to bell the cat.. Probably it lacked the guts to put the finger on the real problem. When the mutual funds and the bank along with the national distribution channels were having a merry time churning AUMs, SEBI choose to keep the eyes shut. Instead of clearly spelling out the requirements it choose to beat round the bush. The fact is the guliable investor is still a sitting duck. The banks would still pick-pockets of the investors any which ways. The reason for this is how else will they shore up their balance sheets and cover the costs from the other services that they provide. The customer needs education and this is what is lacking today.

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Shibaji Dash

1 decade ago

What SEBI banned was ' tweedledum ' and what Axis Bank charged is ' tweedledee '.

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PURU

1 decade ago

DICUSSING THE POLICY AT NARIMAN POINT WITH A BITE OF PIZZA IS COMFORTABLY EASY TO SEE THE GROUND REALTY.SOME SO CALLED PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE INDIA AS SMART AS USA AND UK ON THE SUFFRING OF OTHERS. MAY GOD SAVE THE MUTUAL FUND INDUSTRY WITH RETAIL INVESTORS........!

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Saket Mohan Prasad

1 decade ago

All said and done most bank are charging in an arbitrary manner and now there is no regulation for that. At times i feel that old system of 2.25% through a advisor/bank or Nil % when made direct was better.

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