TSP fees: Don’t make a $78,000 mistake | Federal News Network (2024)

When they retire or leave government for another job, 60 percent of TSP account holders leave their money in Uncle Sam’s in-house 401(k) plan. That means that 40 percent take their money with them when they leave government.

Most move their retirement nest egg to an IRA or investment option that often gives them more fund choices, easier access to their money and in some cases, a more actively managed account. And that’s a good...

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When they retire or leave government for another job, 60 percent of TSP account holders leave their money in Uncle Sam’s in-house 401(k) plan. That means that 40 percent take their money with them when they leave government.

Most move their retirement nest egg to an IRA or investment option that often gives them more fund choices, easier access to their money and in some cases, a more actively managed account. And that’s a good thing, right?

Depends. What many people are aware of, but overlook, is the fact that the TSP has the lowest administrative fees in the 401(k) business. Even lower than Vanguard, which prides itself on minimal fees.

For lots of math-challenged people (like me), low fees are less important than performance. But it turns out that over time low fees, like those in the TSP’s funds, can save you a ton of money.

For example: Last week benefits expert Tammy Flanagan did a TSP webinar for the National Active and Retired Federal Employees. It is chock full of information about the TSP answering questions you probably never asked, but wished you had.

NARFE members can view it anytime by clicking here: Federal Benefits Institute.

As part of her presentation, she introduced a chart showing what impact fees would have on a hypothetical $50,000 investment over a 20 year period.

The result is mind-boggling.

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  • If it had been invested in the TSP, with a .038 expense rate, and the rate of return averaged 8 percent, it would be worth $233,047 after 20 years.
  • If that expense charge was 1 percent, the same $50,000 bundle after 20 years would be worth $190,611.
  • And if you put the same amount, earning the same return, into an actively managed account charging you a 2 percent fee, it would be worth only $155,585 after 20 years.

Paying 1or 2percent (or more) doesn’t seem like much, especially if you get excellent returns. Excellent being the operative word. But paying a higher fee means you have to earn the amount of that fee (1 or 2 percent, or more) BEFORE you start seeing your account balance grow.

Check out this email from a long-time State Department worker who’s about to retire:

“Thanks for your column — I’m a longtime reader who is retiring on 3/31/17, and your daily insight has been useful over the years. Last year, I transferred most of my TSP ($590,000) to Fisher Investments. What are the rules regarding returning to TSP — as long as I am employed, or as long as I have a TSP account, which I do since I still contribute and take advantage of the matching funds?

“Although I’m okay with the results so far, I’m bothered by charges of $1.29 vs. the .29 with TSP. These charges are not visible with TSP and just ‘happen,’ while each quarter I am writing a check for approx. $2,000. The easier access to funds through Fisher is a plus — will TSP ever change from the declare your draw once a year, regardless of an unplanned need. Since I am five weeks away from separating, any last minute advice would be appreciated.”

Excellent and very important question: Last week Kim Weaver, director of external affairs for the Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board, was our guest on our Your Turn with Mike Causey radio show.

She answered lots of questions, including how much you need to leave in the TSP to be able to return if you leave or retire.

Short answer: $200. That’s not much but it could be one of the best investments you ever made if you plan to leave the TSP then discover, once you’ve gone, that it was a pretty good deal.

To listen to that show, click here:Your Turn

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TSP fees: Don’t make a $78,000 mistake | Federal News Network (2024)

FAQs

What are the fees charged by the TSP? ›

Administrative and investment expenses
G FundF FundS Fund
Investment expense ratio
0.000%0.020%0.032%
Total expense ratio (Net admin + Investment)
0.057%0.078%0.090%
4 more rows
Mar 1, 2023

Does TSP have high fees? ›

Fees. While they may not have as many funds to choose from, TSP participants do have one big advantage over most 401(k) investors: lower fees. The total expense ratio, which covers both investment and administrative fees, is 0.066% for individual TSP funds.

Why is TSP performing so poorly? ›

The TSP's performance in April 2022 reflected the worst showing for the stock market and most of the funds in the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP) in months. Inflation, the Russia/Ukraine war, and a general negative sentiment about the direction of the country have taken a toll on financial markets.

What does Dave Ramsey say about TSP? ›

In a nutshell, Ramsey advises federal employees to invest at least 5% in a Roth TSP, then invest the rest in a Roth IRA. He also recommends investing in a handful of TSP funds -- funds C,S, and I -- with a higher percent in the C Fund (at least 60 to 80%).

How much are TSP fees per 1000? ›

As of Dec 2021, the total TSP expense ratio was 0.49%, comprising $0.043% net administrative expense ratio and 0.006% investment expense ratio. An expense ratio of 0.049% represents 4.9 basis points or $0.049 per $1000 TSP account balance.

How much is taxed on a TSP withdrawal? ›

Because we're making the payment directly to you and not to your other retirement plan or IRA, we are required to withhold 20% of your payment for federal income taxes. This means that in order to roll over your entire payment, you must use other funds to make up for the 20% withheld.

What is the most aggressive fund for TSP? ›

The conservative funds are the G and F funds and the aggressive funds are the C, S, and I funds.

What is a good TSP balance at retirement? ›

Answer: More! I frequently state that there is no such thing as too much money in the Thrift Savings Plan. If you want your TSP balance to be able to generate an inflation-indexed annual income of $10,000, most financial planners will suggest that you have a $250,000 balance at the time you retire.

What are the most risky TSP funds? ›

By this measure, the I Fund is the riskiest, with a maximum drawdown of -60.89%, which occurred during the 2008-2009 global financial crisis.

Will the TSP recover in 2023? ›

The TSP returns are off to a good start so far in 2023. Hopefully, TSP investors will be looking at a good return on their investment for the year after a disappointing 2022.

How to get rich with TSP? ›

The Simple Recipe to become a TSP Millionaire
  1. Contributions: Put in as much as you can afford.
  2. Investing: Invest your account aggressively.
  3. Time: Let your account grow for 30 years.
  4. Ignore every financial crisis.
  5. Ignore everyone who is not a TSP millionaire.
Feb 16, 2022

How many people are millionaires from TSP? ›

The latest figures show that there are now 76,889 millionaires as of the end of 2022. That is an increase of about 17.4% since the end of September.

What is the safest investment in TSP? ›

The G Fund is invested in short-term U.S. Treasury securities specially issued to the TSP. Payment of principal and interest is guaranteed by the U.S. government. Thus, there is no “credit risk.”

What is the most profitable TSP fund? ›

Best Performance Among Lifecycle Funds

The Lifecycle (L Funds) with the highest returns were the most aggressive funds as their percentage of stocks in the account is the highest. This means the L 2065, L 2060, and L 2055 provided investors with the best annual returns (19.90%).

What is the average TSP balance? ›

Average TSP account balances for Uniformed Service Members crested over $40,000 by the end of 2021, while balances for new 'Blended Retirement System' (BRS) participants reached close to $10,000 in just four years since the BRS became operational.

How much should I have in my TSP at 40? ›

Experts generally suggest that you'll need about 80% of your salary after retirement to avoid sacrificing your lifestyle. This isn't a perfect rule — after all, if you're used to living a frugal, savings-oriented lifestyle, you could probably retire comfortably on less. However, it is a good starting point.

What is the best amount to invest in TSP? ›

How much should I contribute to my TSP? One common suggestion for how much to save for retirement is at least 15% of your income. Others believe that the minimum should be whatever maximizes your employer contribution; in the case of TSP funds, that would be 5% of your income.

Should I leave my money in TSP when I retire? ›

Leave it in the TSP and let it grow

Depending on when you begin retirement, you can simply leave the money in the TSP let it continue to grow. If you do not need to access it yet, it might be wise to let it be. Similar to other retirement accounts, you will need to begin minimum withdrawals at age 72.

Do I have to report TSP withdrawal on taxes? ›

Reporting taxes

We report all TSP withdrawals and distributions to the IRS, to the appropriate state tax agencies if applicable, and to you on IRS Form 1099-R, Distributions From Pensions, Annuities, Retirement or Profit-Sharing Plans, IRAs, Insurance Contracts, etc.

Do I need to report my TSP on my taxes? ›

With traditional TSP, your contributions go into the TSP before tax withholding, which can potentially lower your current income tax rate. But when you take money from your traditional TSP, you'll pay taxes on both your contributions and earnings at the income tax rate of the year you make the withdrawal.

Is TSP losing money? ›

The vast majority of offerings in the 401(k)-style Thrift Savings Plan did not have a good month in December—or a good year in 2022 for that matter. The S Fund, invested in small and mid-sized businesses, had the worst performance for December, losing 6.55%. It was down 26.26% for 2022.

What is the best TSP fund for 2023? ›

TSP Performance Up in March and Year-to-Date in 2023

The C Fund is up 7.49% so far in 2023. The Fund with the best return so far this year is the I Fund which is up 8.63%. Some investors will note that the I Fund is near the bottom in popularity among TSP investors. 3.6% of participant allocation goes into the I Fund.

Which TSP fund is the most conservative? ›

However, the L Income Fund is the most conservative of the L Funds. It focuses on money preservation while providing a small exposure to the riskier funds (C, S, and I Funds) in order to reduce inflation's effect on your purchasing power.

Is 5% in TSP good? ›

Contributing to the TSP

But here's the deal. The U.S. government will provide a 5% contribution of your basic pay to the TSP, so 5 percent is the absolute minimum you should be contributing. If you contribute less than that, you're missing out on free money.

How long can you keep money in TSP after retirement? ›

You have several options for how to use the money in your TSP account after you retire or separate from federal service or the uniformed services. You can keep money in your TSP account as long as you want to.

Should I max out my TSP? ›

It depends, but most people should contribute to their TSP at least up to the matching funds limit (3% of your salary). Beyond this, the TSP is better if your taxes are high today and you expect them to be much lower in retirement. It is better to use your deduction against the higher tax rate.

How risky is the C fund in TSP? ›

The C Fund is a heavily diversified investment but it does come with the risks. The C Fund is moderately volatile and is subject to market risk as the price of stocks in the S&P 500 Index rise and fall. Further, you are exposed to inflation risk if your C Fund investment does not grow enough to offset inflation.

How much should I contribute to TSP to max out 2023? ›

Your catch-up contributions will be in addition to the 2023 TSP regular contribution limit, which means employees can contribute up to $30,000 in 2023. To maximize the catch-up contribution amount of $7,500 for 2023, employees will need to contribute an additional $288 per pay period ($7,500/26 = $288.46).

Does TSP keep up with inflation? ›

Because your TSP withdrawals do not account for inflation, it's up to you to adjust the payments on an annual basis. This means withdrawing enough to account for inflation — and saving enough while you're still working. Financial experts recommend using the 4% rule once you retire to account for inflation.

How much to max out TSP in 2023? ›

The IRC § 402(g) elective deferral limit for 2023 is $22,500. This limit applies to the traditional (tax-deferred) and Roth contributions made by an employee during the calendar year.

What percentage of TSP investors are millionaires? ›

Overall, TSP millionaires now make up just shy of 1% of all TSP accounts.

Should I stop investing in my TSP? ›

Given the current economic and market cycle, if you're nearing retirement and your cash reserves are not close to at least 6-12 months of your expenses, you may want to consider slowing down your TSP contributions so that you are able to take more of your paycheck home and use that additional capital to build up your ...

How many people are considered super rich? ›

As of December 2022, there were estimated to be just over 15 million HNWIs in the world according to the World's Wealthiest Cities Report 2023 by Henley & Partners. The United States had the highest number of HNWIs (5.3 million) of any country, whilst New York is the wealthiest city with 340,000 HNWIs.

What household wealth is top 1 percent? ›

According to Credit Suisse, individuals with more than $1 million in wealth sit in the top 1 percent bracket. The billionaire class is $2.6 trillion richer than before the pandemic, even if billionaire fortunes slightly fell in 2022 after their record-smashing peak in 2021.

Who inherits TSP? ›

Spouse beneficiaries can keep their balance in their TSP beneficiary participant account. Beneficiaries must first be identified and located, their Social Security numbers (or Employer Identification Numbers for estates or trusts) must be obtained and verified, and their addresses and dates of birth must be confirmed.

Can you lose shares in TSP? ›

It is important to remember that one of the only ways to lose money while investing is to sell when the market is down. If the market drops and we don't sell (or move to the G fund) then we haven't lost anything yet. We only lock in our gains or losses when we sell.

What is the rule of 55 for TSP? ›

The rule of 55 is an IRS provision that allows workers who leave their job for any reason to start taking penalty-free distributions from their current employer's retirement plan once they've reached age 55.

What are the best TSP funds Dave Ramsey? ›

Your best bet is to stick with the C, S and I Funds. Here's the ratio we recommend for your portfolio: 80% in the C Fund, which is tied to the performance of the S&P 500. 10% in the S Fund, which includes stocks from small- to mid-sized companies that offer high risk and high return.

Is TSP taken out of every paycheck? ›

If you're a FERS, CSRS, or BRS participant who began or rejoined federal service on or after October 1, 2020, your agency or service automatically enrolled you in the TSP, and 5% of your basic salary is deducted from your paycheck every pay period and deposited into the traditional balance of your TSP account unless ...

What is the new TSP withdrawal penalty? ›

To have access to IRA funds without a 10% early withdrawal penalty, you must be 59 ½. As previously stated, regular FERS employees separating from service the year they are turning 55 or older can access their TSP without that 10% penalty.

What is the average amount in a TSP account? ›

Average TSP account balances for Uniformed Service Members crested over $40,000 by the end of 2021, while balances for new 'Blended Retirement System' (BRS) participants reached close to $10,000 in just four years since the BRS became operational.

Should I keep money in TSP after separation? ›

When you separate, you can leave your entire account balance in the TSP if it is $200 or more. Your account will continue to accrue earnings and you can continue to change the way your money is invested in the five TSP investment funds by making interfund transfers. You can make an interfund transfer at any time.

Are TSP withdrawals taxed twice? ›

Unlike investment accounts, TSP withdrawals don't get the advantage of being taxed at the lower long-term capital gains rates. TSP withdrawals are always taxed at your ordinary income tax rate. However, whenever you take money out of the Roth TSP then that money comes out completely tax free.

What are the new rules for TSP? ›

SECURE 2.0 increases the start age for required minimum distributions from 72 to 73 in 2023 and then further increases the start age to 75 in 2033. We're continuing to assess how SECURE 2.0 will affect the TSP and will provide updates as more details are finalized.

Can I withdraw my TSP in a lump sum? ›

When you are ready to withdraw your money from your TSP account, you can do it all at once (commonly referred to as a lump-sum payment) or over a period of time. Or you can purchase an annuity that will make payments to you for life. You also can choose any combination of these full withdrawal options.

Do I have to withdraw my TSP at age 70? ›

If you have already separated from federal service, the IRS requires you to make a withdrawal choice before April 1st (of the year following the year you become age 72, referred to as the mandatory TSP Withdrawal Age).

What is the highest TSP amount? ›

In addition to making regular TSP contributions, you may also make TSP Catch-up contributions, if you are age 50 or older (or will be turning age 50 in 2023). The 2023 IRS annual limit for Catch-up contributions is $7,500. This amount is in addition to the regular TSP limit of $22,500.

What is the largest TSP account balance? ›

Looking back a decade, there were a mere 208 TSP millionaires back in 2011. On average, TSP millionaires have been contributing to their plans for 28.5 years. The largest TSP account balance the end of March 2021 was an astounding $9,318,238, which is up from “just” $6.3 million March 2020.

What is the highest TSP account? ›

They have participated in the TSP for an average of 28.2 years. The largest single end-of-year balance in the largest defined contribution plan in the world totals a staggering $10.9 million, up from $8.8 million a year ago.

Can you get TSP and Social Security? ›

It is entirely up to the FERS annuitant to decide when to start receiving Social Security retirement benefits and when to start making TSP withdrawals. At some point of the FERS annuitant's retirement, these two sources of retirement income will have to be tapped in order to pay expected retirement expenses.

Can my wife take my TSP in a divorce? ›

Your current or former spouse, or your dependents, could be awarded a portion of your TSP account if a valid Retirement Benefits Court Order (RBCO) to divide your account is issued. The RBCO can be issued at any time in the divorce, annulment, and separation proceedings.

Should I withdraw my TSP to pay off my house? ›

By using a TSP to pay off a mortgage, you will lose the mortgage-interest deduction that reduces your AGI, or adjusted gross income. Further, because tax-deferred assets are being used to pay off the mortgage, the tax consequences are compounded¹.

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