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• digitalkettle Frets: 3073

  March 13

  I think you'd want it looking over by an expert so you know exactly what you're getting.

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• chris78 Frets: 9160

  March 13

  You want to trade 2 custom shop guitars for a single pickup student guitar because it’s old?
  Youve got to be mad (maybe with the caveat that if you’ve played it and it’s a genuine stunner there’s slightly more sense)

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• ICBM Frets: 71816

  March 13 edited March 13

  (edit - updated due to serious doubts about the authenticity.)

  If your guitars are for sale anyway you’re not losing anything, and a Junior (edit - not this one) will almost certainly not go down in value or be difficult to sell if you don’t like it. It may not be as good a guitar or as versatile as the two you have, but that means nothing in the market.

  Obviously that depends on it being genuine - looking on a bigger screen, and with what @jumping@shadows said, I’m not sure it is. Not anywhere near enough to swap two £3K guitars for it, at the least.

  "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski

  "Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand." - Homer Simpson

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• Offset Frets: 11084

  March 13

  Horses for courses. I have a small collection of guitars I've acquired and traded over the years and for me, they cover all bases. Different is good, and when my interest is waning with one I'll transfer my attentions to another for a period of time, knowing I'll go back to the former. With onepossible exception, I wouldn't want to be without any of them and I most definitely wouldn't trade a bunch of them for one vintage instrument.

  I should show my hand here and say I'm not especially interested in vintage guitars - that isn't to say I wouldn't buy one but I wouldn't do so at the expense of my other guitars.

  In the course of writing this I'm acknowledging to myself I'm pretty happy with what I have, but sadly the GAS is still ever-present :-)

  Currently for sale:https://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/247085/pro-ject-essential-ii-turntable

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• Fingers657 Frets: 528

  March 13

  I’ve just mailed the pictures to an expert friend of mine to have a look at.
  Ill post what he thinks when he replies.

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• Fiddlesticks_ Frets: 209

  March 13 edited March 13

  Personally, I would not make that particular trade. It may well be a nice guitar, but at the end of the day it’s just an LP Junior that’s very expensive because it’s old.
  But it’s all a personal choice, you might really like LP Juniors and want a 50s one and that’s your prerogative.

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• DrCornelius Frets: 7043

  March 13

  If that Lp junior has that certain something that makes you want to pick it up and play it more than the he other two then go for it . I was about to say they aren’t making any more vintage guitars but then realised someone probably is somewhere :-)

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• ICBM Frets: 71816

  March 13

  DrCornelius said:

  If that Lp junior has that certain something that makes you want to pick it up and play it more than the he other two then go for it . I was about to say they aren’t making any more vintage guitars but then realised someone probably is somewhere :-)

  They are, and Juniors are becoming expensive enough to be worth faking now, which they weren’t in the past.

  "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski

  "Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand." - Homer Simpson

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• jumping@shadows Frets: 1251

  March 13

  Very fishy guitar imho- headstock shape is off as is the neck/headstock transition on the back, plus the control cavity is wrong.

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• elstoof Frets: 2252

  March 13

  Why do the peg strips look so off centre, the left side is right on the edge

  

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• digitalkettle Frets: 3073

  March 13

  jumping@shadows said:

  Very fishy guitar imho- headstock shape is off as is the neck/headstock transition on the back, plus the control cavity is wrong.

  That one caught my eye...there seems to be all kinds of wonk going on!

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• Iamnobody Frets: 6877

  March 13

  digitalkettle said:

  I think you'd want it looking over by an expert so you know exactly what you're getting.

  Yep. My concern is I wouldn’t know how to navigate my way round a vintage guitar - particularly one with a refin.

  The only vintage guitar I own I bought as a player grade and did as much research as I could beforehand. However it was relatively cheap and therefore the risk was low.

  Previously known as stevebrum

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• guitars4you Frets: 13909

  March 13 tFB Trader

  Buyer beware needs to always come into play with an old guitar - When the likes of @jumping@shadows is expressing doubt then you need to be careful

  I have nothing whatsoever against a player grade non original old guitar - Often they can end up being a better player than an original example - But the most important aspect is that you need to play it and enjoy the experience that it offers - If it doesn't feel/play/sound right then it is not for you

  Your 2 guitars probably have a used value pushing 6K - Don't know what your thought process is, if yous ell them - Are you buying another guitar - Need the cash for other bills etc - Some players are turned on by such old guitars, but old doesn't always mean good and often they are not good at all

  Tree carefully - But if it gives you some wow factor as/when you play it then that is good

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• OilCityPickups Frets: 9840

  March 13 edited March 13 tFB Trader

  If you look at the front of the headstock pic you can clearly see the line where the left hand 'wing' was glued onto the neck block to allow for the sculpting of the headstock. On the right I can't see that ... and I wouldn't mind betting that that narrow 'wing' split off and was destroyed or lost ... and the headstock was reshaped to make it look a bit more even ... this would explain the odd gap at the side of the tuner.
  My worry would be - did a headstock break cause the loss of wood on that side ... and what is under that finish in the critical area?

  Professional pickup winder, horse-testpilot and recovering Chocolate Hobnob addict.
  Formerly TheGuitarWeasel ...Oil City Pickups... Oil City Blog7 String.org profile and message

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• Fingers657 Frets: 528

  March 13

  Here's what my friend said about it.

  Looks pretty authenticto me, althoughthe logo seems a bit blocky, but they were screen printing them, so that might explain it.

  They moved to double cuts part way through 1958 then onto 1960 - so you see more double cuts in TV yellow.

  Cheap for what it is (assuming it is what it's claimed to be) but still a lot of coin to drop on a guitar without doing a lot of research on the looks and specs of other 1958 Juniors though.

  At least he's done a black light test to show there's no breaks.

  
  

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• rossi Frets: 1695

  March 13

  I can remember playing vintage guitars when they new shiny and a bit pricey .Some were good some a bit iffy and one was dreadful though now much collected .So it just depends whether you buy a good ,bad or ugly very old guitar.
  

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• stickyfiddle Frets: 26645

  March 13

  Personally I can't imagine ever switching from an SG and Tele to a Jr because those are my favourite solidbodies. But if it plays well and you're interested in a Jr then I'd do it.

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• elstoof Frets: 2252

  March 13

  Fingers657 said:

  Here's what my friend said about it.

  Looks pretty authenticto me, althoughthe logo seems a bit blocky, but they were screen printing them, so that might explain it.

  They moved to double cuts part way through 1958 then onto 1960 - so you see more double cuts in TV yellow.

  Cheap for what it is (assuming it is what it's claimed to be) but still a lot of coin to drop on a guitar without doing a lot of research on the looks and specs of other 1958 Juniors though.

  At least he's done a black light test to show there's no breaks.

  
  

  It’s a refin, could’ve been any colour originally and the logo might not be original. New paint will hide any repairs under a black light also.

  Best case scenario with this one imo, whoever did the refin stripped the paint off with a belt sander and took a load of wood with it

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• jumping@shadows Frets: 1251

  March 13

  Fingers657 said:

  Here's what my friend said about it.

  Looks pretty authenticto me, althoughthe logo seems a bit blocky, but they were screen printing them, so that might explain it.

  They moved to double cuts part way through 1958 then onto 1960 - so you see more double cuts in TV yellow.

  Cheap for what it is (assuming it is what it's claimed to be) but still a lot of coin to drop on a guitar without doing a lot of research on the looks and specs of other 1958 Juniors though.

  At least he's done a black light test to show there's no breaks.

  
  

  Not to be rude, but it’s a refin (a bad one at that), and a black light would show nothing, plus it’s a solid colour which would mask any wood work.

  Plus the logo and Les Paul silkscreen are non original, so again don’t indicate much.

  The critical detail is the flattened back of the headstock/neck transition, and that completely incorrect wire channel leading from the control cavity to the pickup route.

  I buy and work on guitars exactly like this day in day out, and I wouldn’t touch this one.

  I’ll post some pics of an original ‘54 Jnr I have here and I’m sure we can spot more issues.

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• Danielsguitars Frets: 3252

  March 13 tFB Trader

  I thought that wiring channel is wrong too, I'd be very cautious and would probably pass too, the pickup is in the earlier position closer to the tailpiece.

  I'd want to see the pictures before the refinish and I want to know who did it.

  www.danielsguitars.co.uk
  (formerly customkits)

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