Reader Case Study: Debtors Anonymous Helped This Wildlife Biologist Recover From Compulsive Spending - Frugalwoods (2024)

Veronica is a wildlife biologist for the state of North Carolina, where she lives on a farm with her two dogs, Porter and Stout. Veronica’s mother recently passed away and she is set to receive an inheritance from her mother’s estate. Veronica would like our help discerning how she should manage this inheritance, particularly in light of the fact that she’s participating in the twelve-step Debtors Anonymous program as well as receiving treatment for PTSD.

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And a disclaimer that I am not a trained financial professional and I encourage people not to make serious financial decisions based solely on what one person on the internet advises.I encourage everyone to do their own research to determine the best course of action for their finances. I am not a financial advisor and I am not your financial advisor.

With that I’ll let Veronica, this month’s Case Study subject, take it from here!

Veronica’s Story

Hi, Frugalwoods! I’m Veronica, I’ll be 40 in April, and I live with my two awesome mountain cur dogs, Porter and Stout, in a rural part of central North Carolina. I moved to this region from an even more remote area of the state for a job promotion during the second half of 2018.

I work for the state wildlife agency in my “dream job” as a wildlife biologist. It’s deeply purposeful work and I’m grateful to be able to provide service in this way, even if the dream ended up not aligning with the reality of the job–I’m completely okay with that!

I’m an explorer at heart and I’ve been very fortunate to live a fairly non-traditional life. As a result, I’ve experienced many incredible, once-in-a-lifetime experiences. However, the downside is that I’ve had to relocate frequently and haven’t made much money over the years. This is a VERY common experience in my field, which is highly competitive. I am happy to report that with my current position, I finally have a stable salary with benefits!

Veronica’s Hobbies and Volunteer Work

Outside of work, I enjoy travel and I hope to start taking one international trip annually in addition to the smaller domestic trips I currently make. I also deeply enjoy practicing photography, making jewelry, and doing whatever sort of art or craft that strikes my fancy. I love hiking, especially climbing mountains, and dearly hope to move to the mountain region of this state in the next few years, so that I can go hiking on a daily basis.

I LOVE to learn and take classes when I can. I also enjoy teaching and I hope I can teach some art classes and workshops in the future. A fun thing I get to do with my job is partner with our state natural sciences museum to co-lead wildlife education tours – it’s so much fun and I get to do some non-traditional education and outreach as well as enjoy photography.

I’m fairly introverted, but I try to meet up with friends once in a while, though not as often as I’d like. With all the moving around over the past dozen years (over a dozen moves!), I’ve gotten used to doing everything solo or with my dogs in tow. This is a new stage in my life where I’m not moving so much, and it’s been really wonderful to think about settling down and creating longer-term plans. I recently completed an End of Life Doula training and I hope to do volunteer work in the next couple of years in that capacity. My awareness is that the purpose for my life is to bring healing to this world. I plan to write a memoir and am working on a large legacy art project about my mom and our Alzheimer’s journey. I am currently volunteering as an Alzheimer’s advocate for our state’s legislative representatives.

Veronica’s Mother

I’m also at a cross-roads of sorts right now. I recently lost my dear mama after a nine-year journey through early-onset Alzheimer’s. It was a profound journey to go on with her, as her legal guardian and daughter, and I shared caretaking duties with my sister.

It brought the three of us much closer as a little family and I will forever be grateful for that. It was an honor to devote the majority of my 30’s to my mom and her wellbeing and the experience was worth all the sacrifices that came with it.

The story doesn’t end there, however, as I am now administering her estate with my sister. My mom was the essence of living frugally for your values (she would have really enjoyed this blog) and as a result, despite the astronomically high costs of caretaking services, I will inherit a fairly substantial portfolio of funds (more on that below).

I am extremely nervous about what to do with this inheritance. Since I have A LOT of catching up to do in terms of emergency and retirement savings, I want to utilize these funds wisely and to my long-term advantage. But, I would also like to use some to increase my quality of life in the here and now (more on that in a moment).

Veronica’s PTSD and Treatment

I also need to provide some background on myself that’s probably not the usual Reader Case Study information, but that’s entirely pertinent to my case. I was recently diagnosed with complex PTSD and am receiving treatment. Over the last several decades, my PTSD symptoms included addictive and compulsive behavior (a new awareness for me), which manifested as compulsive spending. I went through a series of debt and deprivation cycles until it became so unmanageable that I had to reach out for help. Three years ago, I started a 12-step program called Debtors Anonymous and it has literally saved my life.

Debtors Anonymous helped me turn my life around and enabled me to develop trust, faith, and a willingness to face my problems and take supported actions to solve them. I am eternally grateful to this program for helping me get to where I am today. I plan to continue in Debtors Anonymous during my PTSD treatment since it helped me develop a solid foundation of self-care coping mechanisms. Given this background, you can see why I’m nervous about receiving an inheritance, even though I’m in a good place with my recovery.

One element of participating in Debtors Anonymous is that I cannot have, or utilize, credit cards. I know from my own experience that I cannot handle credit cards responsibly. I have one credit card account open with a zero balance in order to keep my credit score in the good range (it’s currently over 700) but it has no card associated with it and I will never use the account. A great aspect of the program is that I keep very detailed financial records of all my income, debts, savings, and spending. I currently have 2.5 years of data on my financial life!

Veronica’s Income

Another challenge I’m experiencing relates to my salary. Since I work for the state government, there is no mechanism in place for my agency to adjust salaries as needed without going to the state legislature. This has resulted in salaries lagging way behind other states in our region despite being one of the fastest growing states with an even faster growing cost of living. This is an issue my agency has been working on for a few years and it’s unlikely to resolve anytime soon. In the meantime, my salary only enables me to live paycheck to paycheck with very little ability to save.

While I was my mom’s guardian, I received a small commission that helped me greatly as I couldn’t get a second, part-time job (as being a guardian is like having a second full-time job). Now that my mom has passed on, I am no longer receiving that commission and I am unsure about how to increase my income. I’ve worked long and hard and made many sacrifices to get to where I am in my career and I don’t want to give it up, but I need to earn more. I’m not entirely certain how that’s going to be resolved, but two possibilities are to go federal or into the private sector (e.g. with an energy company).

I need to put in a few more years in my current position before I can make a move and my hope is to coordinate that with a move to the mountains and the purchase of my first home and land. That plan still leaves me wondering what to do in the short term to cover my monthly expenses.

Since I live in a rural area, there aren’t many options for part time work. It isn’t worth driving an hour+ to the nearest city for a low-paying part time job (in terms of time or gas), so I’m not sure what other options are available. Committing to PTSD treatment will be a time commitment as well since there are no practitioners within an hour of where I live. Ideally, I’d be able to find some sort of remote, work from home, part time gig and I’m really open to hearing suggestions on this!

I’m also interested in developing a side business to sell my art, but I view that as a longer-term strategy/plan since I know it takes a lot of work and time to build up a viable business. I would love to exhibit my photography and sell my jewelry on consignment at a gallery somewhere (no idea how to do any of that). I would also love to do public speaking about my art and life… again, that seems like a longer-term plan.

Veronica’s Goal: Moving To The Mountains and Buying a Farm

One of the last pieces of advice my mom gave me before passing was to “follow my bliss, to live in what brings me joy.” It has been a long held dream of mine to own land in the mountains with a large farmhouse that I can lovingly restore (though it would need to be in good enough condition to live in!). Along with learning, living close to nature is a priority . I currently rent an old farmhouse on a farm and I absolutely love it. I would love to own my own land and steward the land for the time that I’m there.

I’m definitely going to stay in North Carolina, and am targeting the mountain region specifically. The only other area I would consider moving to is the mountain region of Virginia, should an appropriate job open up there. There are real limitations to the wildlife profession, job-location-wise, and I have lived in enough regions throughout the country to understand where fits me best.

Federal jobs at my level (GS-11/12) are very limited at present, due to a position back filling moratorium (thanks to the current presidential administration), but that may change with time. I am building a strong network of federal connections across the state, which may prove helpful. Private sector jobs may be more available in the nearer term, but I haven’t dug deeply enough into the market quite yet, though I have a few connections with biologists who work for large energy companies so there’s opportunity to inquire.

Once I purchase land, I might lease fields for organic agriculture and woodlots for agroforestry. Not only would those practices meet my land stewardship values, they would also bring in some income. I’m not sure how much potential income agricultural land leases could bring in and I plan to research that extensively this year. Checking out the USDA loan program website recently, my income level would be eligible for a USDA loan.

While I would love to be able to pay a traditional down payment on a land and home, I don’t know how feasible that is considering how much retirement savings I have to catch up on. And there’s the fact that I have approximately $53k in student loans looming over my head. I am currently in the Public Service Student Loan Forgiveness Program (PSLF), but the history of that program doesn’t lend itself to trustworthiness for the level of risk involved. Since I’m in that program, I’m on an income driven repayment program where the monthly payments don’t even pay off the annual interest, which is then added to the principle at the end of the year.

Essentially, each year that I’m in the Public Service Student Loan Forgiveness Program, my principle will continue to grow. My income level doesn’t allow me to make any additional payments on this loan monthly and I have seven more years in the program before my loans could be forgiven (assuming the program is still around). This seems like a huge risk and one that I’m not sure I want to continue taking. I also have a car loan (on a car I purchased used for a great price but went upside down on a previous vehicle loan for a nightmare truck situation to the tune of $5k – long story I’d rather forget).

The Best Part Of Veronica’s Life

No rat race! Since I’m considered field staff, I have a home office and am able to work remotely from almost anywhere in the state. I have near complete autonomy to structure my daily schedule. This flexibility has been a huge value-add to my work life. I get to travel to some really beautiful places for work, I love living on a farm, and I love living in an old farmhouse. My dogs and I enjoy the nature that surrounds us every single day. Plus, I have space for an art studio (slash guest bedroom) since I live alone.

The Worst Part Of Veronica’s Life

Isolation, hands down. Where I live is pretty different culturally from my personal values, so while I’m friendly with everyone, I don’t have a sense of community or of having any of “my people” in close proximity. The nearest “big” city is over an hour away, which means a lot of driving if I want to take classes or attend social get-togethers. Since I’ve moved so often over the last decade, my friends are scattered across the country.

It’s been an okay tradeoff thus far, especially when I was caring for my mother because I didn’t have any spare time. However, I know that in the future I’ll want to be in a local community that’s more culturally aligned with my values. I’ve found a few potential regions in the mountains of North Carolina, so I’m hopeful I’ll be able to make the move in the next five years (if not sooner).

The other downside is my low income – for me this plays into a sense of lack of quality of life at times. I really enjoy and value experiences in life, but oftentimes there comes a financial cost to participate (e.g. gas to drive to the city to take a class, funds to pay for the class) and it’s always a struggle to prioritize what to participate in with my financial limitations. After a decade devoted to abundant work, I would really love to expand on a diversity of fun experiences on a regular basis.

Where Veronica Wants To Be in 10 Years:

  1. Finances:
    • I’d like to be making more than double my current income. I could accomplish this with a move to either a federal position or the private sector.
    • I’d like to have 20% equity (at least) in my future home and land and have additional streams of revenue coming in from investments, an art business, teaching, leasing fields, etc.
  2. Lifestyle:
    • I’d like to be settled into my own farmhouse that I am lovingly restoring and enjoying, stewarding the land I’ve set roots in, gardening, traveling for pleasure, teaching and exhibiting my work, and continuing to work in wildlife conservation.
    • Hopefully I’ll have a partner and maybe a child (although I’m not really planning on it), definitely more dogs, lots of hiking, a deep sense of community, practicing spirituality in everything I do, service work/volunteering, and following what brings me joy on a daily basis.
  3. Career:
    • I want to continue to work with wildlife, but maybe in a different capacity. Perhaps I begin to think about dropping down to part time and increasing my art work?
    • I’m unsure about that last point but I do know that I will want to have switched employers and dramatically increased my income. I am currently building my professional network here in North Carolina to increase the chances of this outcome.

Veronica’s Finances

Income

ItemAmountNotes
Veronica’s net monthly income$2,576Net salary, minus the following deductions: health, disability, life, death and dismemberment, dental, vision, and other insurances, 457b contribution, 6% gross salary pension deduction, FSA contribution, and taxes
Estimated Monthly Annuity Payment (has not started yet)$215 (estimate; not currently receiving)After state and federal tax deductions
Monthly subtotal:$2,791With estimated annuity payment
Annual total:$33,492With estimated annuity payment

Expenses

ItemAmountNotes
Rent$750
Art Classes, Equipment, and Supplies Fund$362This line item increases my quality of life and shouldn’t be entirely eliminated, though I realize I need to reign it in a bit
Auto Loan$285Through SECU; this is the minimum monthly payment
Groceries and going out to eat$225Monthly average; I very rarely go out to eat for fun, maybe a few times each year, though I’d like to increase that to at least once a month
Student Loan Payment$205FedLoan
Vitamins and Supplements$190Includes a very expensive non-traditional supplement that is non-negotiable for me
Pupper care costs$151Fun things like heartworm meds, tick and flea treatment, annual vet visit, annual teeth cleaning, food and treats
Clothing$148This was high this year due to needing to purchase several pieces of speciality field clothing and shoes (we are not employer reimbursed, but I try to sign up for pro deals with companies) and needing funeral clothing, including a coat (some of which I purchased used)
Electricity$113Monthly average
Propane tank$100Monthly average
Vehicle Fuel$100Monthly average
Cell Phone$80Through Verizon (I receive a discount through my employer)
Car insurance$77Through Progressive
Outstanding debt to self (owe $285 to self, this accounting is mainly for my 12-step program)$55
Toiletries (shampoo, conditioner, moisturizers, etc)$45Monthly average
Miscellaneous items$38Things such as new flatware, etc. that don’t lump nicely into other categories
iFit subscription$36Non-negotiable expense
Travel for pleasure$29Monthly average for the past year; I would love to increase this amount – I was able to go on one extremely frugal vacation this year
Work Food (eating out while traveling for work)$25Monthly average
Gardening Supplies$25Monthly average
Home Goods$25Monthly average
New cell phone$25I save this much every month towards a new cell phone
Emergency Pup Care Fund$25I save this much every month towards an emergency fund for my dogs
Stout Hip Treatment Fund$25I save this much every month towards a hip treatment my dog Stout will need
Vehicle Maintenance$25Monthly average
Coffee$20Monthly average
Haircuts$20Monthly average
Charitable Donations$19I hope to increase this someday
Pupper Care Service$17When I travel for work or pleasure and can’t take the dogs with me, I pay a kid down the road $10 per day to come and take care of my fur babies; average monthly cost for the past year (this reflects that I did not do much work travel this year)
Professional Society Membership Dues$17
Auto Loan Reserve$15I throw in an additional $15 on my payment every month
Auto Registration Fee$14
Renters Insurance$11Through Progressive
Gift Fund: Birthdays$10Monthly average. I would love to increase this someday, but thankfully my family and friends aren’t big on gift giving.
Gift Fund: Christmas$10Monthly average. I would love to increase this someday, but thankfully my family and friends aren’t big on gift giving.
Amends Fund (for Debtors Anonymous)$8Making financial amends as necessary for my 12-step program; average monthly amount I save – would like to increase this amount sometime in the future
Bank Fees$6TD Bank Checking
Dental Supplies$5Monthly average
Auto Inspection Fee$2
Bank Fees$1SECU Foundation
Bank Fees$1SECU Foundation
Monthly subtotal:$3,339
Annual total:$40,068

Debts

DebtOutstanding BalanceInterest RateNotes
Federal Student Loans (I’m in the PSLF program)$52,2056.88%I’m on an income driven repayment plan. I’m not able to cover all of the annual interest, so I pay the minimum monthly payment. If PSLF pans out, my loan will be forgiven in 7 years (2027).
2011 Toyota Rav4$8,2664.75%I pay the minimum $285 per month; 5-year loan with 3 more years on the loan
Debt to self$2850%I borrowed funds from my savings to pay off a debt and I am paying myself back.
Total:$60,756

Assets

ItemAmountNotesInterest/type of securities heldName of bank/brokerage
IRA$8,255Traditional IRAyear to date interest return is 12.93%, 3 years annualized is 6.14%Edward Jones
Savings Account 1$7,707I keep funds for spending categories that I will eventually spend in here0.05% interestTD Bank
Savings Account 4$7,527I keep funds for spending categories that I will eventually spend in here0.75% interestSECU; I don’t use these accounts for regular checking and savings because they don’t have a mechanism set up to transfer between banks, which will be important until I complete administering mom’s estate
Pension$4,5046% state required pension deductionHolding account until vestment in 2023whatever the state pension system uses
Savings Account 2$3,143I keep funds for spending categories that I will eventually spend in here0.05% interestTD Bank
Savings Account 3$1,830I keep funds for spending categories that I will eventually spend in here0.05% interestTD Bank
457b Account$1,709Retirement account, offered by my employerPre-tax deduction, year to date interest return is 19.31% (I contribute $125 per month, employer does not offer matching)Prudential
Checking Account 2$1,298I keep funds for spending categories that I will eventually spend in here plus a small reserve for eventual use in paying off my vehicle loan0.25% interestSECU; I don’t use these accounts for regular checking and savings because they don’t have a mechanism set up to transfer between banks, which will be important until I complete administering mom’s estate
Checking Account 1$107I do not keep excess funds in this account and all funds in this account are spent in full each pay cycle0% interestTD Bank
Total:$36,080

Future Inheritance (from Veronica’s mother)

Note: all of these totals are estimates as the estate is still being disbursed

ItemAmountNotesMore notes
House Sale Proceeds$179,880.87The house is sold and this amount is locked in a trust account until probate clears it. A portion of this will be paid by the trust (along with portions of the other beneficiaries sums) for capital gains taxes. I have an accountant working on what the basis of capital gains will be.Not sure how to invest these funds once they come my way.
Beneficiary IRA Account$77,000Estimated total amount; I will have to take a required annual disbursem*nt, but I don’t yet know the amountThis is with Pershing, but I will likely transfer it to Edward Jones
J&J Stock Shares$15,000This is an estimated amount. We are going through a share recovery process currently and this will likely take the longest to resolve for the estateWith Computershare. Not sure if I have the option to keep my half as shares or if the estate has to divest. If it’s an option to keep shares, I may want to do that given that J&J stock prices have not dropped much with all the legal settlements
Leftover financial holdings$12,500This amount is TBD and could range from $0 to $25k, so I split the difference for this exercise
Estimated Total:$284,380.87This is an estimated amount and I will not receive all of it at once. Some will be paid out over a number of years.

Veronica’s Questions For You:

  1. What should I do to increase my income in the immediate future?

    • I need to increase my income by at least $763 per month in order to break even (this is without including my monthly annuity payment, which I haven’t received yet and don’t know the exact amount; the estimate is $215)
    • What are options for work-from-home part-time gigs? I feel lost on this one!
  2. What is the maximum monthly amount I should pay on my student loan to maximize the income tax benefit?
    • This assumes I would utilize a portion of my inheritance to cover these increased payments.
    • I realize that I need to consult an accountant about this and about the monthly annuity income and potential annual IRA disbursem*nt.
  3. How should I invest the investable portion of my inheritance to generate additional funds to help make a down payment on a home and land in the next few years?
    • Ideally, this would also generate funds for home renovations/restoration. Should I bother with any down payment considering I’d qualify for a USDA loan?
    • What’s a good amount to have allocated as a fund for immediate home fixes after purchase? I estimate based on current market rates that 30 acres with a house could cost $250k-$350k in the areas I’m interested in.
    • I’m currently unpartnered, so I am operating under the assumption that I will also be unpartnered at that time and will be reliant on my income only. My current income would be insufficient to pay that level of mortgage and I would like a large lot of land.
  4. What portion of my investable inheritance should I put into retirement savings?

    • My employer doesn’t offer any matching funds. Currently I contribute what I can afford each month, which is $125 to my 457b account.
  5. Should I sell my eventual J&J stock shares and reinvest those funds?
    • If so, how should I reinvest?
  6. In my current job, 6% of my gross monthly income is deducted pre-tax for eventual investment into the state pension system.
    • These funds will be vested in 2023, around the time I might be ready to make an employer switch. If I make the switch prior to being vested, I would receive those funds as a lump payment. If I do make the switch prior to being vested, how should I use that money?
  7. How should I deal with paying off my vehicle loan, which is through a credit union and has a low interest rate?
  8. Any advice on how to sell art on consignment or how to do exhibitions? Or how to get into teaching art classes and workshops?

Mrs. Frugalwoods’ Recommendations

I want to thank Veronica for sharing her story with us because she touches on a number of challenging topics with honesty and insight. I’m grateful for her perspective on Debtors Anonymous and thrilled that she’s had so much success through that program. Veronica is able to move forward right now because she has acknowledged her challenges and sought help.

Without this self-reflection and willingness to heal, she wouldn’t be able to dream about a different future for herself and her dogs. If you think you might benefit from the Debtors Anonymous program, you can find more information here.

I congratulate Veronica for her strength and am thankful for her story, since I imagine it will resonate with a lot of people. I also want to express my condolences to Veronica on the death of her mother and also the long journey she went on as her mother’s caretaker. Veronica’s mom was lucky to have two devoted daughters and I’m sorry that she’s no longer with them. With that said, let’s dive into her specific questions.

Veronica’s Question #1: What should I do to increase my income?

Now that Veronica is no longer receiving a stipend for serving as her mother’s caretaker, she’s facing a $763 deficit between her income and expenses every month. We’ll tackle this shortfall from both angles, starting with her income. Veronica is spot on that she needs to find a better paying job. She’s a highly qualified specialist and she noted that she’s networking across the state in order to suss out a better job. I encourage her to accelerate her timeline on this.

Since Veronica plans to leave her current job at some point anyway, I encourage her to more aggressively investigate the two options she mentioned: a move to the private sector or the federal government. Her current position does not pay her enough to enable her dream of buying a house and land. Furthermore, I’m not seeing a side hustle that would generate enough income to adequately make up for her low salary. She’s totally right that she could start earning a bit more on the side, but it seems to me this would be missing the bigger picture of her finding a better paying job in her profession.

What about the pension plan vesting?

Veronica’s current position has a pension that she won’t vest in until 2023; however, her employer isn’t contributing anything to this pension and Veronica noted that upon her resignation, she’ll receive all the money she’s put in as a lump sum. From that perspective–unless I’m missing something major–there’s no financial incentive or reason for Veronica to stay at this job until she’s vested.

What about the PSLF?

Since Veronica works for state government, she’s enrolled in the Public Service Student Loan Forgiveness Program (PSLF), and her loans are on track to be forgiven in seven years. If she moves to the private sector, she would no longer be eligible for the program. If she moves to the federal government, she likely would still be eligible.

However, since her current position is so low paying, I don’t see much benefit in remaining solely for the PSLF benefit, especially since her loans are not all that significant (at $52k they’re not nothing, but they’re not astronomical either) and her interest rate (6.88%) is on the higher side for student loans. I think moving to a higher-paying position would end up a net positive over the potential benefit of loan forgiveness in seven years. I say this particularly in light of the bad press PSLF is getting for not forgiving loans that should be eligible for forgiveness. I also think it might make sense for Veronica to instead wipe her loans out with some of her inheritance (more on that in a moment).

All that to say, if it were me, I wouldn’t stay in the job just for the pension vesting and potential PSLF loan forgiveness. And instead of shuffling around side hustles, I suggest Veronica focus her efforts on finding a higher-paying position in her field.

The Rest Of Veronica’s Questions: The Inheritance and Buying a Home

Let’s discuss the inheritance first. I am not a lawyer, a financial professional or an accountant, so it’s good Veronica is working with lawyers and accountants on the execution of her mother’s estate. What I can discuss are ideas of what Veronica might do with the money after it lands in her bank account.

Inherited asset #1: cash from the sale of her mother’s home.

One note for Veronica to discuss with her accountant: upon death, the basis for capital gains taxes should be reset, which means Veronica would only owe taxes on any appreciation the house experienced between the time her mother passed and the house sold.

She shouldn’t (as far as I understand it) owe capital gains taxes on the full appreciation of the house (appreciation that occurred from the time her mother purchased it to now). This is actually a good loophole for passing assets along to heirs!

Whatever the capital gains taxes shake out to be, Veronica stands to inherit a large lump sum of cash from the sale of the house. Given Veronica’s goal-oriented nature, her treatment through Debtor’ Anonymous, and the fact that this’ll be a lot of money coming in all at once, I suggest she consider doing the following with this cash:

  1. Pay off her student loans in full. We can quibble about the mathematical efficacy of doing this versus waiting to see if PSLF comes through, or, Veronica could just get this monkey off her back. I don’t love the interest rate on her student loans and I think it might give Veronica some peace of mind to be rid of these. (inheritance of $170K – student loan balance of $52,205 = $117,795 remaining)
  2. Pay off her car loan. Just get it out of her hair and out of her life. (remaining inheritance of $117,795 – $8,266 = $109,529)
  3. Replay her debt to self. This would be the remaining inheritance of $109,529 – $285 = $109,244

While this is an estimate–since we don’t know the capital gains tax total–this scenario would most likely leave Veronica with over $100k in cash leftover. I strongly recommend she wipe out these debts and feel confident about starting her 40’s completely and totally DEBT FREE. This would frees her from the mental strife of PSLF and the frustration of carrying a car loan. This is a gift from her mother to wipe the slate clean.

Maintain A Robust Emergency Fund

After Veronica pays off all of her debt, I encourage her to maintain her robust emergency fund. Given her past proclivities for slipping into debt, her well-funded emergency fund provides her with a much-needed backstop and buffer against any future debt.

  • Veronica spends $3,339/month, which means she should target an emergency fund in the range of $10,017 (three months of spending) to $20,034 (six months worth).
  • Veronica already has $21,613 saved up, so she is golden on her emergency fund!

An emergency fund should be kept in an easily-accessible bank account, such as a high-interest checking or savings account, NOT in investments, retirement funds, or cars/houses/expensive china. An emergency fund is money you can access immediately in an emergency. The general rule of thumb is to have three to six months’ worth of expenses in your emergency fund, meaning three to six months worth of what you spend every month. This is why it’s so important to track your expenses–I use and recommend the free expense tracker from Personal Capital. If you’d like to know more about how Personal Capital works, check out my full review.

The Many and Sundry Cash Accounts of Veronica

Aside from her retirement savings, Veronica has a whopping six different checking and savings accounts. I wonder if Veronica might consider consolidating these six accounts into one, or perhaps two, accounts? Unless she has specific reasons to keep her money spread out across all these different accounts, I would find it more manageable to consolidate.

Additionally, I strongly encourage Veronica to move her cash into a high-interest, fee-free savings account. Veronica is unfortunately using the exact type of accounts I don’t recommend: low interest rate accounts that charge a fee. Not only is Veronica missing out on interest, she’s paying for the privilege of using these subpar accounts! Save yourself, Veronica!

If Veronica decided to move her money over to, for example, an American Express Personal Savings account that–as of this writing–earns 1.70% in interest, in one year, her $21,613 will increase to $21,980.42. That means she’d earn $367.42 in one year JUST by having her money in a high-interest account! See this post for details on which banks I recommend for high interest savings accounts.

Here’s the rundown of Veronica’s cash accounts:

ItemAmountNotesInterest rateName of bank/brokerage
Savings Account 1$7,707I keep funds for spending categories that I will eventually spend in here0.05% interestTD Bank
Savings Account 4$7,527I keep funds for spending categories that I will eventually spend in here0.75% interestSECU; I don’t use these accounts for regular checking and savings because they don’t have a mechanism set up to transfer between banks, which will be important until I complete administering mom’s estate
Savings Account 2$3,143I keep funds for spending categories that I will eventually spend in here0.05% interestTD Bank
Savings Account 3$1,830I keep funds for spending categories that I will eventually spend in here0.05% interestTD Bank
Checking Account 2$1,298I keep funds for spending categories that I will eventually spend in here plus a small reserve for eventual use in paying off my vehicle loan0.25% interestSECU; I don’t use these accounts for regular checking and savings because they don’t have a mechanism set up to transfer between banks, which will be important until I complete administering mom’s estate
Checking Account 1$107I do not keep excess funds in this account and all funds in this account are spent in full each pay cycle0% interestTD Bank
Total in cash savings:$21,613

The Rest Of Veronica’s Inheritance

Since the estate is still being finalized, we unfortunately don’t have the final numbers on the rest of Veronica’s inheritance. But for our purposes today, that’s ok. I’m going to give Veronica the broad strokes of what might make sense to do with this money once it comes her way.

1. Buy a Home and Land

Veronica can approach this goal in a number of different ways and I want to point out that there isn’t really a right or wrong way to do this. I encourage her to consider her own spending tendencies in making this decision.

Option one: Liquidate all of her inheritance (to the extent possible) and purchase a property with cash.

The upside with this option is that her monthly expenses would be low since she’d have no mortgage, she wouldn’t be tempted to spend the inheritance irresponsibly, and she’d be in her dream home and land. This approach would also allow her to continue living completely debt-free.

The downside to this approach is that she’d likely be missing out on potential gains if she instead invested this money in the market and got a fixed, low interest rate mortgage. Additionally, a house (and especially a rural home with land) is a terrifically illiquid asset: it’s very hard to turn a paid-for house into cash. This could be a challenge if Veronica gets a fixer-upper and needs a lot of cash on hand to renovate/repair. However, if she’s able to find a higher-paying job, that concern might be mitigated.

Option two: Explore a USDA loan option for a mortgage and contrast it with the option of using some of the inheritance for a downpayment.

The advantages and disadvantages of this option are the inverse of option number one. Veronica could (potentially) get a super low, fixed interest rate mortgage and invest the remainder of the inheritance in the stock market and realize gains (over many decades of remaining invested). However, she’d also have a monthly mortgage payment, which would increase her monthly expenses. On the other hand, since all of her money wouldn’t be tied up in her home, she’d have much more flexibility and options on how to allocate her resources.

Option three: Investigate alternative housing scenarios.

Since Veronica noted she feels isolated in her current rural location, I wonder if she’s considered exploring alternative housing options, such as cooperatives, buying a property with a friend/relative, or serving as the longterm caretaker of a historical property/rural vacation home for a family.

‘These ideas might not appeal to Veronica, or, they might be a way for her to accomplish two things at once: living on a big piece of land with lowered costs and less isolation. One thing for Veronica to keep top of mind in her search is property tax. If she buys a large parcel of land, she should look into land conversation tax breaks that might be available (we’re enrolled in such a program here in Vermont, which decreases our tax burden.

That being said, we own a lot of land so our taxes are still significant).

Option four: Continue renting.

Veronica made a brief mention of her possible interest in having a partner and/or children at some point in the future. Depending upon how serious she is about this aspect of her lifestyle, she might want to wait on the purchase of a home. If a future partner lives elsewhere, Veronica’s purchased home might not suit both of their work locations, commutes, lifestyles, etc. Furthermore, if there are children in the picture, the type/size/location of the home might drastically change from what Veronica envisions now.

However, if Veronica is not interested/serious about finding a partner/having children, she can discount this option. I just wanted to mention how dramatically one’s life can change if one has kids or a partner.

Veronica’s Investing Questions

After Veronica pays off her debt and she decides how she wants to pursue purchasing a home and land, she is correct that the next step is to invest the remainder of her inheritance (as well as any other extra cash she has lying around, such as a lump sum from her current pension). She is further correct that the best way to invest will likely be a mix of traditional retirement accounts and taxable investments. I want to reiterate that I am not a financial professional and that this does not constitute formal financial advice; rather, this is my opinion.

1. Retirement Accounts

Formal retirement accounts include employer-sponsored plans such as 401ks, 403bs, and 457s. If Veronica moves to an employer offering a retirement plan with a match, that’ll be the no-brainer place for her to invest for retirement. She should contribute enough to this plan to qualify for her employer’s matching funds.

If Veronica’s employer does not offer a matching plan, she should investigate either contributing to a non-matching employer-sponsored plan (which is what she’s currently doing with her 457b) or, increasing her contributions to her IRA.

2. Taxable Investments

After saving for retirement, Veronica can explore putting some of her money into taxable investments. This basically means investing her money in the stock market, but not through retirement accounts (which are also invested in the stock market).

I encourage Veronica (and anyone else interested) to read through the “Taxable Investments” section of the post, How We Manage Our Money: Behind The Scenes of The Frugalwoods Family Accounts, as it provides the most comprehensive answer to Veronica’s investing questions.

In summary, if it were me, I probably would not retain all J&J shares because that’s a very un-diversified position. If J&J’s stock plummeted (and never fully recovered), Veronica would never see that money again. Conversely, if she invested in something more diversified like a total market index fund, she’d weather downturns more easily. Investing in a single company is like putting all of your eggs in one basket: it might be totally fine or you might lose every single egg you have. In general, one of the most straightforward ways to invest is in a low-fee total market index fund.

Veronica’s Spending

The issue with Veronica’s monthly expenses is that, at present, her salary doesn’t cover them. If she continues spending at her current level ($3,339) she’ll be spending $763 more than she earns ($2,576) every month. As discussed above, I think the focus for Veronica should be finding a higher-paying job. However, until that happens, she’d be wise to reduce her expenses so that she’s at least breaking even every month and not dipping into her savings. Since her financial situation will improve once her inheritance comes through, she can consider these reductions in spending temporary and intended to keep her stable until she finds a higher-paying job and/or receives the inheritance.

In every Case Study, I like to point out that what you choose to save or not save is a very personal decision.Cutting every last expense is NOT the right answer for everyone andI am NOT an advocate for making yourself miserablein the process of achieving financial stability. I am an advocate for values-based, goal-oriented spending. I think it’s important to assess whether all of your expenses bring you fulfillment and a good return on your investment.

In order to effectively review your expenses, you need to know what you’re spending. Luckily, there are free online programs designed to do this for you. I use and recommend Personal Capital, which offers free expense tracking (affiliate link). You can write your expenses down in a notebook, you can create your own spending spreadsheets, you can use an online program–whatever you do, keep track of what you spend every month. If you’d like to know more about how Personal Capital works,check out my full review.

I love that Veronica listed annual spending averages in each category. This is a phenomenal way to track expenses because it gives you the most realistic picture of what you spend each month. It’s not realistic to assume that what you spent in, say, December 2019 is what you’ll spend every single month of the year. While some expenses are fixed from month to month (such as rent/mortgage payments), most of us experience fluctuations in most other categories, such as: travel, dining out, groceries, healthcare, gifts, entertainment, pets, utilities…. you get the picture.

Here are some ideas on how Veronica might spend $763 less every month so that she can break even:

ItemCurrent AmountMrs. FW’s NotesProposed New AmountAmount Saved
Rent$750Fixed expense; no change$750$0
Art Classes, Equipment, and Supplies Fund$362I recommend Veronica put this spending on hold just for the short term.$0$362
Auto Loan$285Fixed expense; no change, UNTIL Veronica receives the cash from the house sale and can pay this loan off in full. Once that happens, she can add other expenses back into her budget.$285$0
Groceries and going out to eat$225Seems quite reasonable to me. If Veronica thinks she can save more, go for it, but this seem quite low to me already.$225$0
Student Loan Payment$205Fixed expense; no change, UNTIL Veronica receives the cash from the house sale and can pay this loan off in full. Once that happens, she can add other expenses back into her budget.$205$0
Vitamins and Supplements$190Veronica said that this expense is non-negotiable, so we’ll try to find savings in other areas.$190$0
Pupper care costs$151I assume this is a fairly non-negotiable expense since keeping pups healthy is a priority!$151$0
Clothing$148I recommend Veronica put this spending on hold just for the short term.$0$148
Electricity$113Fixed expense; no change$113$0
Propane tank$100Fixed expense; no change$100$0
Vehicle Fuel$100Veronica–do you receive mileage reimbursem*nt from your employer for work trips?$100$0
Cell Phone$80I recommend Veronica switch to a much cheaper MVNO cell service provider ASAP. I use the MVNO Ting and pay around $15 or less per month (affiliate link).

MVNOs resell wireless service at discounted rates (but it’s the same service). MVNOs are basically the TJ Maxx of cell phone service.

If you’re not using an MVNO, check out this post to see if you can make the switch. The savings are tremendous.

$15$65
Car insurance$77Fixed expense; no change$77$0
Outstanding debt to self (owe $285 to self, this accounting is mainly for my 12-step program)$55Veronica–is it possible to put this on hold in order to break even every month?$0$55
Toiletries (shampoo, conditioner, moisturizers, etc)$45Fixed expense; no change$45$0
Miscellaneous items$38I recommend Veronica put this spending on hold just for the short term.$0$38
iFit subscription$36Veronica said that this expense is non-negotiable, so we’ll try to find savings in other areas.$36$0
Travel for pleasure$29I recommend Veronica put this spending on hold just for the short term.$0$29
Work Food (eating out while traveling for work)$25Veronica–is it possible to be reimbursed by your employer for this expense?$25$0
Gardening Supplies$25I recommend Veronica put this spending on hold just for the short term.$0$25
Home Goods$25I recommend Veronica put this spending on hold just for the short term.$0$25
New cell phone$25I recommend Veronica put this savings on hold for the short term.$0$25
Emergency Pup Care Fund$25I recommend Veronica put this savings on hold for the short term.$0$25
Stout Hip Treatment Fund$25I recommend Veronica put this savings on hold for the short term.$0$25
Vehicle Maintenance$25Fixed expense; no change$25$0
Coffee$20I recommend Veronica put this spending on hold just for the short term.$0$20
Haircuts$20I recommend Veronica put this spending on hold just for the short term.$0$20
Charitable Donations$19I recommend Veronica put this spending on hold just for the short term.$0$19
Pupper Care Service$17Fixed expense; no change$17$0
Professional Society Membership Dues$17Veronica–is it possible to be reimbursed by your employer for this expense?$17$0
Auto Loan Reserve$15I recommend Veronica put this savings on hold for the short term.$0$15
Auto Registration Fee$14Fixed expense; no change$14$0
Renters Insurance$11Fixed expense; no change$11$0
Gift Fund: Birthdays$10I recommend Veronica put this savings on hold for the short term.$0$10
Gift Fund: Christmas$10I recommend Veronica put this savings on hold for the short term.$0$10
Amends Fund (for Debtors Anonymous)$8Veronica–is it possible to put this on hold in order to break even every month?$0$8
Bank Fees$6I recommend Veronica switch to a bank that offers a high interest rate and that doesn’t charge a fee. See this post for details on which banks I recommend.$0$6
Dental Supplies$5Fixed expense; no change$5$0
Auto Inspection Fee$2Fixed expense; no change$2$0
Bank Fees$1I recommend Veronica switch to a bank that offers a high interest rate and that doesn’t charge a fee. See this post for details on which banks I recommend$0$1
Bank Fees$1I recommend Veronica switch to a bank that offers a high interest rate and that doesn’t charge a fee. See this post for details on which banks I recommend.$0$1
Monthly subtotal:$3,339Proposed new monthly subtotal:$2,408$932
Annual total:$40,068Proposed new annual total:$28,896$11,184

I realize these are deep cuts to things Veronica values; however, I envision this as a short-term, stop gap plan until: 1) Veronica’s inheritance comes through; and 2) she finds a better paying job. The goal for Veronica right now, today is to ensure she stays afloat and doesn’t spend more than she makes. Plus, I overshot the break-even goal of saving $763 per month so that Veronica can adjust these amounts to better reflect her priorities and preferences.

Credit Cards

I think Veronica is spot on in her assessment that she shouldn’t use credit cards. Given her history of credit card debt, and her participation in Debtors Anonymous, I think she’s very wise to recognize this about herself. This is a great illustration of the fact that different financial approaches work for different people. What works for me isn’t necessarily going to work for Veronica and what works for Veronica isn’t necessarily going to work for you.

One of the most important elements of financial literacy is knowing yourself and knowing what sort of money plan you’ll be able to stick to for the long-term. If you are a person who can use credit cards responsibly, then I highly recommend them. If you’re a person who can’t? No shame, no blame, just don’t have a credit card. If you’d like to know more about how I manage my money, check out: How We Manage Our Money: Behind The Scenes of The Frugalwoods Family Accounts.

For more on my credit card strategy, check outThe Frugalwoods Guide to a Simple, Yet Rewarding, CreditCard Experience. I also wrote this guide onhow to find the best credit card for you.

Summary:

  1. Today: reduce expenses by at least $763 per month for the short term, so that she’s not spending more than she earns every month.
  2. Once the cash from the sale of her mother’s house comes through, follow the debt pay-off strategy outlined above and research the possibility of investing in low-fee, total market index funds and increasing her retirement savings.
  3. Search for a higher-paying job.
  4. Once the rest of her inheritance is ironed out, and she’s settled on a new job and new region, do research into determining how to proceed with purchasing a home and land (buying in cash, a USDA loan, a traditional mortgage, etc.).
  5. After the above are accomplished, increase her retirement investments, either through an employer-sponsored plan or an individual plan. This will also be the time to consider increasing her taxable investments.

Ok Frugalwoods nation, what advice would you give to Veronica? She and I will both reply to comments, so please feel free to ask any clarifying questions!

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What is the spending plan for debtors anonymous? ›

Spending Plan

The spending plan puts our needs first and gives us clarity and balance in our spending. It includes categories for income, spending, debt payment, and savings (to help us build cash reserves, however humble). The income plan helps us focus on increasing our income.

How does Debtors Anonymous work? ›

Debtors Anonymous emphasizes clarity – keeping track of spending, communicating with creditors, knowing where every dollar is going. New members keep a detailed spending record over the first 90 days. From that, they make a monthly spending plan. Anybody can come up with a budget, of course.

Is Debtors Anonymous for atheists? ›

Debtors Anonymous is not affiliated with any financial, legal, political, or religious entities, and we avoid controversy by not discussing outside issues. By sharing our experience, strength, and hope, and by carrying the message to those who still suffer, we find joy, clarity, and serenity as we recover together.

What does a spending plan do? ›

A spending plan is a method for distributing your income among the mix of things you want and need. Creating a spending plan ahead of time will allow you to effectively manage your finances and determine where to best spend your money.

What is the spending plan process? ›

You can create your spending plan in four steps: List your income. List your expenses. Compare your income and expenses. List your resources and set priorities.

What are the 3 ideas involved in a spending plan? ›

A spending plan should include all of your money coming in, money going out, and money put towards savings. True, in addition to regular monthly payments such as rent and bills, a spending plan should also include irregular payments such as family trips, medical co-pays and deposits to savings.

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Spenders Anonymous strives to help people stop spending compulsively, take responsibility for their money, and spread the message of recovery to other compulsive spenders.

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