QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered (2024)

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‎February 21, 20218:48 PM

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Hi,

We bought a vacation rental property in Dec 2019 and reported a loss. We have carryover loss of -722. For 2020, we have a much bigger loss. I entered all the information correctly for income, expenses, and assets. Now, I'm ready to file and I'm getting this error message. In looking at the form, it shows two columns for 2019 "Regular Tax" and "QBI." Turbotax already has -722 entered under Regular Tax so I guess it wants me to put a number under QBI, but I don't know what to put. Since it's next to 2019, I'm guessing it's a 2019 number, but if so, why didn't TT auto fill it from my data?

Thanks,

Marie

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Level 15

‎February 21, 20219:37 PM

QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered

QBI is only for trades or businesses. rental property is an issue as to whether its a trade or business or not. realistically, I would find it hard to see a property that is a vacation rental as rising to the level of a trade or business. if you agree that it's not a trade or business enter 0 for QBI. taking a position it is not would likely carry forward to future years. if you treat it as a trade or business and in any year there is a cumulative profit (all years as rental) you would be entitled to the QBI deduction but then you have to enter into Turbotax the 2019 net loss as the QBI loss carryforward. Most likely in 2019 you took the position if was not a trade or business otherwise Turbotax would have carried it forward to 2020

the IRS has issued revenue procedure 2019-38 for safe harbor election. those that meet its criteria attach the election to their returns(every year) and thus they can treat their rental properties as a trade or business without worry that the IRS will say its not. read section .03 in the link provided. nothing requires a taxpayer to use the safe harbor but then if they take the position their rentals are a trade or business, the IRS can successfully challenge based on the facts in each case

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rp-19-38.pdf

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Level 15

‎February 21, 20219:37 PM

QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered

QBI is only for trades or businesses. rental property is an issue as to whether its a trade or business or not. realistically, I would find it hard to see a property that is a vacation rental as rising to the level of a trade or business. if you agree that it's not a trade or business enter 0 for QBI. taking a position it is not would likely carry forward to future years. if you treat it as a trade or business and in any year there is a cumulative profit (all years as rental) you would be entitled to the QBI deduction but then you have to enter into Turbotax the 2019 net loss as the QBI loss carryforward. Most likely in 2019 you took the position if was not a trade or business otherwise Turbotax would have carried it forward to 2020

the IRS has issued revenue procedure 2019-38 for safe harbor election. those that meet its criteria attach the election to their returns(every year) and thus they can treat their rental properties as a trade or business without worry that the IRS will say its not. read section .03 in the link provided. nothing requires a taxpayer to use the safe harbor but then if they take the position their rentals are a trade or business, the IRS can successfully challenge based on the facts in each case

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rp-19-38.pdf

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Level 2

‎February 21, 202111:04 PM

QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered

Thank you so much, Mike9241!

That answered my question completely. In reading about whether we are or might be in the future a qualified trade or business, all I saw was the insane amount of record keeping. We're happy without qualifying. I put 0 on the 2019 QBI column that TT was asking for.

Thanks again,

Marie

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Level 1

‎March 7, 20212:38 PM

QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered

in my case, I've had my rental property for almost 20 years & I've never had to enter this that I'm aware of!

The form shows amounts for 2018 & 2019 in the Loss & QBI columns - I really don't know what to put!

Yes, I've had a passive loss carryover for years on this property.

How to I figure out what number should be put into this box?

under the Disallowed Passive Losses by Year & Type

Before 2018 - Operating Loss - Regular Tax -14,299 then QBI column is )

2018 Operating Loss is -1865, then QBI column says -3965

2019 Operating Loss is -2100, then QBI column is blank & wants a number?

How do I calculate this?

Why didn't Turbo Tax do this for me? It appears that it did it last year for 2018?

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New Member

‎March 9, 20216:37 PM

QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered

I was getting this error as well. I HAD entered this number manually at the end of entering K-1 info (after noticing it was missing), yet the smart check screen showed that value placed in the 2018 row instead, and the 2019 box was blank (causing the error). I started my business in 2019 so it was easy to see Turbo Tax was putting my numbers under the wrong year when it showed I had 2018 losses! I was "lucky" that I knew my 2018 number was 0. I couldn't delete the 2018 value, but when I again entered the 2019 number in the 2019 box within the smart check screen, the 2018 value disappeared and I didn't get any more errors. Looks like a Turbotax bug, hopefully fixed before due date!

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Level 1

‎March 10, 20217:27 AM

QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered

Thanks ! I can't wait for them to fix the bug!

I guess I'll put the value I believe is correct for 2019 & see what happens.

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Returning Member

‎March 15, 20219:40 AM

QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered

Anyone know where this value is found on their 2019 tax form? I'd rather not use the safe harbor as I don't want to paper file a huge return, but I have multiple rentals that combined easily do 250 hours so I am not worried about the challenge.

I can find where the value for the regular tax calculation is happening on the 2019 form by searching for that value, but I don't know how to calculate the QBI one. Given I'm getting errors on negative (losses) values, should I assume that the QBI version is the same amount since I'm guessing I don't get a QBI deduction on losses?

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Employee Tax Expert

‎March 15, 202110:40 AM

QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered

If the net overall QBI is less than zero, it is carried forward as a loss from a separate qualified business and will reduce any potential QBI deduction in the following year. Check Form 8995 in your 2019 tax return, and any related worksheets.

Check out Line 10, Form 1040, for 2019. If that was a positive number there is no carryover.

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Returning Member

‎March 16, 202110:18 AM

QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered

Thanks for the reply. Looking at my 2019 return there is a positive number in line 10 of the 1040 so I guess I don't have a carry over. So for each of those empty fields I just put 0 in them?

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Employee Tax Expert

‎March 19, 202111:46 AM

QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered

You should be able to leave them blank.

The Qualified Business Income deduction (also called the QBI deduction, pass-through deduction, or section 199A deduction) was created by the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) and is in effect for tax years 2018 through 2025.

With the QBI deduction, most self-employed taxpayers and small business owners can exclude up to 20% of their qualified business income from federal income tax (but notself-employment tax) whether they itemize or not.

The deduction amount depends on the taxpayer's total taxable income, which includes wages, interest, capital gains (etc.) in addition to income generated by the business. Once the taxable income reaches or exceeds $163,300 ($326,600 if filing jointly), the type of business also comes into play.

Use this link for more informationWhat is a Qualified Business Income Deduction

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Returning Member

‎March 19, 202111:55 AM

QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered

Thanks for the answer Cynthia, unfortunately it cannot be left blank according to the Smart Check. It shows the empty box and gives the same error as the original poster "QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered".

If no loss, does that mean 0 should be entered so there is a value?

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Level 3

‎March 20, 20219:31 AM

QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered

WOW this is EXACTLY my situation. I been using TT for approx 10 yrs and in my Tax Year 2020 return TT auto filled my 2018 QBI but NOT my 2019 QBI and I have been trying for over a week to cross match #s I see in my 2018 return against 2019 to see if I can find my 2019 QBI but guess not necess if I don't want the IRS to audit me declaring my full time rental property as valid for QBI....?

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New Member

‎March 20, 20214:22 PM

QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered

I have the same issue. I've read through the responses above, but I am still not clear what to enter here. TT does not accept no entry. If I try to fill in this field with the number in the column just left of it (Regular Tax), $2600, I get an error message "QBI Passive Op Loss should not be greater than the total loss ($1500)".

How to solve?

Is there a reason TT didn't pre-fill this in?

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Level 3

‎March 20, 20214:31 PM

QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered

I also tried making QBI same as passive loss amt and TT no likey that at all :(

And I read here and online other places that the IRS doesn't believe you should use QBI (or very very grey area) for a rental property even if it has been 100% rented for years - it's only one property I have but that's the case for me. One property rented out 100% of the time for 7+ years. Maybe easier just to put "0" QBI for 2019 tax year.

Still unclear WHY TT transf my 2018 tax year QBI info but not my 2019 tax year QBI info. Very confusing. I been using TT for approx 9 or 10 years....

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New Member

‎March 20, 20217:50 PM

QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered

I have the same issue. I called Turbotax last week. They said they had a fix in home and business version. I had Premier version since it is all I need (rental). So I said the fix/patch shall be available for premier version as well. So far I have not seen the fix yet.

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QBI Passive Op Loss Must be entered (2024)

FAQs

What is a passive QBI loss? ›

Qualified Business Income (QBI) passive activity loss carryover is created when losses from one QBI qualified business are netted against the gains from another.

Do passive losses reduce Qbi? ›

QBI doesn't include any of the following. Items not properly includible in income, such as losses or deductions disallowed under the basis, at-risk, passive loss or excess business loss rules. Investment items such as capital gains or losses, or dividends.

Where is Qbi passive op loss on Schedule K-1? ›

It is also include in Box 20 of a K-1 for a partnership with code Z. If you don't have Statement A, the QBI Passive Op Loss is the figure listed on line 1 or line 2 (if real estate) of your K-1 if: It is a negative number; and. The material and active participation boxes are not checked.

Does passive income qualify for Qbi? ›

Qualified business income, or QBI, is the net income generated by any qualified trade or business under Internal Revenue Code (IRC) § 162. Rental properties are usually treated as passive activities, and passive activities are excluded from the definition of a qualified trade or business.

Where do I report passive activity losses? ›

How to Report Passive Activity Losses
  • Schedule C (Form 1040), Profit or Loss From Business,
  • Schedule D (Form 1040), Capital Gains and Losses,
  • Schedule E (Form 1040), Supplemental Income and Loss,
  • Schedule F (Form 1040), Profit or Loss From Farming,
  • Form 4797, Sales of Business Property,

How do I report a passive loss on my tax return? ›

Use Form 8582, Passive Activity Loss Limitations to summarize income and losses from passive activities and to compute the deductible losses. Use Form 8582-CR, Passive Activity Credit Limitations to summarize the credits from passive activities and to compute the allowed passive activity credit.

Why is passive loss disallowed? ›

Passive activity losses can only be used to offset passive activity income. They cannot be used to reduce your client's ordinary or earned income. Consequently, passive loss is generally disallowed as a deduction on a tax return.

Are losses included in Qbi? ›

A taxpayer must net their QBI, including losses, from multiple trades or businesses (including aggregated trades or businesses).

Can passive losses offset income? ›

Under ordinary circ*mstances, passive losses can only be used to offset passive gains. This means that you cannot use passive losses to offset capital gains, portfolio yields, ordinary income or any other form of taxable gains. The exception to this rule is called “releasing passive losses.”

Where does Qbi deduction go on K-1? ›

The QBI box and code on your K-1 depends on which type of K-1 you have: For a partnership Form 1065 Schedule K-1, a Section 199A Statement is associated with box 20, code Z. For an S corporation Form 1120S Schedule K-1, a Section 199A Statement is associated with box 17, code V.

How do you know if K-1 income is passive or Nonpassive? ›

You are not subject to self-employment tax, but you may have to pay Net Investment Income Tax in some instances. If you have Schedule K-1 income that is generated from an S corporation, and you were actively participating in the business, then it would be non-passive.

Where do I enter Qbi loss carryover in Turbotax? ›

Enter on Deductions > Qualified Business Income (Sec 199A) > Total Overrides and Other Information > Qualified business net loss carryover from prior years (Form QBI-1, Box 138).

Do passive activities matter for Qbi? ›

Some practitioners may also wish to rely on the net investment income tax rules to help define trade or business activities. However, the NII tax applies to passive activities, regardless if the passive activity is an investment or trade or business.

How does passive income affect small business deductions? ›

Passive Income Reduces the Small Business Deduction

As mentioned, we take each dollar above the limit and multiply it by 5 to arrive to the amount of the deduction that is reduced ($30,000 * 5 = $150,000). Therefore, we now have a small business deduction of $350,000 rather than $500,000.

What income is excluded from QBI? ›

QBI does not include items such as: Items that are not properly includable in taxable income. Investment items such as capital gains or losses or dividends. Interest income not properly allocable to a trade or business.

What is the passive loss limitation rules? ›

Special $25,000 allowance.

If you or your spouse actively participated in a passive rental real estate activity, the amount of the passive activity loss that's disallowed is decreased and you therefore can deduct up to $25,000 of loss from the activity from your nonpassive income.

What are the passive activity loss limitations rules? ›

Under the passive activity rules you can deduct up to $25,000 in passive losses against your ordinary income (W-2 wages) if your modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) is $100,000 or less. This deduction phases out $1 for every $2 of MAGI above $100,000 until $150,000 when it is completely phased out.

How are passive losses carried forward? ›

Passive losses continue to carry forward until you either have passive income to use the losses or you dispose of your ownership interest. In the year you dispose of your ownership interest, all passive losses including carryforwards are deducted.

How many years can passive losses be carried forward? ›

These suspended passive losses can be carried forward indefinitely until you either use them to offset passive income or dispose of your rental property.

How long can passive losses be carried over? ›

These deductions are not lost forever. Rather, they are carried forward indefinitely until either of two things happen: you have rental income (or other passive income) you can deduct them against, or.

Can you offset passive income with Nonpassive losses? ›

Nonpassive losses include losses incurred in the active management of a business. Nonpassive income and losses are usually declarable and deductible in the year incurred. Nonpassive income and losses cannot be offset with passive losses or income.

What happens to QBI losses? ›

Sec. 1. 199A-1(d)(2)(iii)(B), the negative overall QBI amount carries forward to the succeeding year and is treated as arising from a separate trade or business. Those losses carry over indefinitely until completely offset by positive QBI.

How is QBI loss calculated? ›

Here's an example: Your taxable income is $150,000, of which $60,000 is QBI. You simply multiply QBI ($60,000) by 20% to figure your deduction ($12,000). If taxable income exceeds the limit for your filing status, then a special formula is used to figure the deduction.

Is a business loss an above the line deduction? ›

Above-the-line deductions reduce your AGI

Since above-the-line deductions are adjustments to your income, they can also refer to business deductions and losses. For example, a business expense reduces your net business income, reducing your total income.

How do you take advantage of passive losses? ›

Passive activity losses can only be used to offset other passive income. So, if you earn profit from one passive investment while having a net loss in another, you can only use that loss to offset what you earned from the other passive investment. You cannot use it to reduce your primary (active) taxable income.

Where do you report Qbi deduction? ›

The QBI deduction will flow to line 10 of Form 1040 or 1040-SR, or line 38 of Form 1040-NR. You'll see Form 8995-A and accompanying schedules if: You have QBI, qualified REIT dividends, or qualified PTP income or loss; and.

Where do I report k 1 loss on my 1040? ›

This amount is reported on line 2b of Form 1040 or 1040-SR and Schedule B, Part I, line 1, if applicable.

What is Section 199A deduction on K 1? ›

Section 199A information. Generally, you may be allowed a deduction of up to 20% of your apportioned net qualified business income (QBI) plus 20% of your apportioned qualified REIT dividends, also known as section 199A dividends, and qualified publicly traded partnership (PTP) income from the trust or estate.

What is the difference between passive and Nonpassive loss on K 1? ›

If a taxpayer is nonpassive, any losses that are reported can be claimed against all other income. On the other hand, losses from a passive activity can only be claimed to offset income from other passive activities, unless the interest in the pass-through entity was disposed of.

Do I need to report k 1 with no income or loss? ›

Yes, you need to include Form K-1 to your tax return, even if there is no income. The loss form the partnership can offset your other income.

Is passive income reported on Schedule C? ›

Well, Schedule C is the form taxpayers have to fill out for active income businesses, while Schedule E is the one investors usually fill out for their passive income businesses.

Where do I report qualified business loss carryforward? ›

Lines 16-17: Loss carryforwards

If your net qualified business income is negative, then you have a qualified business loss. You can't claim a deduction on your current year's return, but you will carry the loss forward to the following year. Lines 16 and 17 are used to calculate the loss you'll carry forward.

How do I report qualified business loss carryforward? ›

If you are reporting a tax loss carryforward for a year, use IRS Form 1045, Schedule B to calculate the loss, then add it to your tax return.

Where do I enter loss carryforward? ›

Claim the loss on line 7 of your Form 1040 or Form 1040-SR. If your net capital loss is more than this limit, you can carry the loss forward to later years.

Why am I not getting a Qbi deduction? ›

The reason you may not receive a full 20% of QBI deduction is because the overall deduction cannot exceed 20% of your taxable income after subtracting out capital gains.

Is passive income considered business income? ›

Passive income is defined as either “net rental income” or “income from a business in which the taxpayer does not materially participate.”

How does the IRS treat passive income? ›

Is Passive Income Taxable? Yes, the IRS does collect taxes on passive income. Often, this type of income is taxed at the same rate as salaries received from a job, although it is sometimes possible to use deductions to reduce the liability.

Who Cannot take the QBI deduction? ›

Individuals, trusts, and estates with qualified business income (QBI) from a partnership, S corporation, or sole proprietorship may qualify for the QBI deduction. Any income you receive from a C corporation isn't eligible for the deduction.

What is the QBI phaseout for 2022? ›

The phaseout for 2022 is $340,100 for married taxpayers and $170,050 for all other taxpayers. 7 For 2023, the phaseout is $364,200 for married taxpayers and $182,100 for all other taxpayers. 5 Within these ranges, the deduction is limited.

How is taxable income calculated on Qbi? ›

Your taxable income is your gross income after you've subtracted your deductions and personal exemptions. Remember to determine your QBI separately for each of your qualified businesses, then combine them all as a single amount on your tax return.

What is an example of a passive loss? ›

Types of Passive Loss Activities. Generally, passive losses (and income) can come from the following activities: Equipment leasing. Rental real estate (though there are some exceptions) Sole proprietorship or a farm in which the taxpayer has no material participation.

How much of the passive loss is deductible? ›

Special $25,000 allowance.

If you or your spouse actively participated in a passive rental real estate activity, the amount of the passive activity loss that's disallowed is decreased and you therefore can deduct up to $25,000 of loss from the activity from your nonpassive income.

What can you deduct passive losses against? ›

Under the passive activity rules you can deduct up to $25,000 in passive losses against your ordinary income (W-2 wages) if your modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) is $100,000 or less. This deduction phases out $1 for every $2 of MAGI above $100,000 until $150,000 when it is completely phased out.

When can you deduct passive activity losses? ›

Passive activity loss rules dictate you must participate in a trade or business on a “regular, continuous, and substantial basis” in order to claim a loss for it, according to the IRS.

Can passive losses offset active income? ›

Passive losses can be used to offset passive income; likewise, active losses can be used to offset active income. Active income includes wages, income from substantial involvement in a pass-through business entity, along with several other sources.

What is passive and non passive loss? ›

Nonpassive income and losses constitute any income or losses that cannot be classified as passive. Nonpassive income includes any active income, such as wages, business income, or investment income. Nonpassive losses include losses incurred in the active management of a business.

How do you offset passive losses with passive income? ›

You can offset your passive losses by selling off your rental properties. To effectively offset your passive losses, you don't actually need to sell the real estate that's creating those losses. Your losses will offset any passive income.

What is the general rule for the deductibility of passive losses quizlet? ›

The general rule concerning the deductibility of passive losses is that they can be deducted only to the extent of passive income.

What is the passive activity rule? ›

Passive activity loss rules are a set of IRS rules that prohibit using passive losses to offset earned or ordinary income. Passive activity loss rules prevent investors from using losses incurred from income-producing activities in which they are not materially involved.

Is passive activity loss a capital gain? ›

Passive Losses Cannot Ordinarily Offset Capital Gains

Like all forms of investment income, you only pay taxes on your net profits from passive activities. This means that you can use passive losses to offset passive gains, ultimately only paying taxes on the difference.

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