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I'm pondering early retirement in the near future, and there's a possibility we might need to use ACA for health insurance. We would run very near the subsidy cliff.

For example, for this years rates, total out of pocket max would be around $6k with subsidies, but over $30k if we went $1 over the cliff.

So I was wondering if a capital loss from a stock sale could be used to bring us back under the limit if we were getting too close at the end of the year.

I've got one individual stock with about $5k of loss, and I thought it might make sense to keep that on hand a bit longer as a sort of "cliff insurance".

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Yes, they do within the limits that apply to line 13 on the form 1040. Use your tax program to project the affect.

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It would offset any capital gains up to $5k and up to $3k of regular income if there was any leftover. That would reduce your MAGI depending on your sources of income and likely help you qualify for ACA subsidies.

But that loss might turn into a gain (or at least less of a loss) too so I'm not sure you can really bank it. You might consider an HSA compatible ACA plan as another way to reduce your MAGI.

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MP123 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:13 pmIt would offset any capital gains up to $5k and up to $3k of regular income if there was any leftover. That would reduce your MAGI depending on your sources of income and likely help you qualify for ACA subsidies.

But that loss might turn into a gain (or at least less of a loss) too so I'm not sure you can really bank it. You might consider an HSA compatible ACA plan as another way to reduce your MAGI.

Ahhhm OK, the old $3k of regular income limit applies here as well. Makes senses, i guess.

Thanks!

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As others noted, it can offset other cap gains, and up to $3K of ordinary income.

Other reductions: HSA (if the insurance is eligible) $6750+$1000+$1000 if over 55, spouse has to have a separate HSA account to get the last $1000 deduction. IRA/spousal IRA up to $13K or earned income total - you may not have been previously eligible for deductible IRAs, but they work in a low income year.

Gotchas to watch out for: Muni bond interest gets added back in. Taxable state income tax refunds get added to AGI, while taxes paid are down in deductions and don't help for ACA limits - it pays to figure your state withholding closely the year before retirement.

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curmudgeon wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:24 pm Gotchas to watch out for: Muni bond interest gets added back in. Taxable state income tax refunds get added to AGI, while taxes paid are down in deductions and don't help for ACA limits - it pays to figure your state withholding closely the year before retirement.

Yes, and both the taxable and nontaxable portions of Social Security get added in too if you've claimed early before Medicare eligibility.

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curmudgeon wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:24 pm Taxable state income tax refunds get added to AGI, while taxes paid are down in deductions and don't help for ACA limits - it pays to figure your state withholding closely the year before retirement.

A good workaround if this happens: you can opt to deduct your state & local sales taxes on the prior year return instead of deducting your state and local income tax. In that case your state/local refund will not be part of your AGI/MAGI in the following year. (If necessary, you can amend the prior year return to claim sales tax instead of income tax on Schedule A.)

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Can crypto currency losses be deducted? Obviously, one will have no 1099 form to document it.

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wrongfunds wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:10 pmCan crypto currency losses be deducted? Obviously, one will have no 1099 form to document it.

What? I've been told that crypto currencies only gain, gain, gain!

But seriously, I don't think they can be deducted. I think they are treated as collectibles, and I'm pretty sure losses from them can't be deducted in any case.

But I haven't looked into that for a few years.

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MP123 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:13 pmIt would offset any capital gains up to $5k and up to $3k of regular income if there was any leftover. That would reduce your MAGI depending on your sources of income and likely help you qualify for ACA subsidies.

But that loss might turn into a gain (or at least less of a loss) too so I'm not sure you can really bank it. You might consider an HSA compatible ACA plan as another way to reduce your MAGI.

The part in bold is false. There is no limit to offsetting losses against gains. See this:

https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/ ... t-a-glance

Limit on the Deduction and Carryover of Losses

If your capital losses exceed your capital gains, the amount of the excess loss that you can claim on line 13 of Form 1040 to lower your income is the lesser of $3,000, ($1,500 if married filing separately) or your total net loss shown on line 16 of the Form 1040, Schedule D.pdf. If your net capital loss is more than this limit, you can carry the loss forward to later years. You may use the Capital Loss Carryover Worksheet found in Publication 550, Investment Income and Expenses, or in the Form 1040, Schedule D Instructions, to figure the amount you can carry forward.

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bhsince87 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:52 pm

wrongfunds wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:10 pmCan crypto currency losses be deducted? Obviously, one will have no 1099 form to document it.

What? I've been told that crypto currencies only gain, gain, gain!

But seriously, I don't think they can be deducted. I think they are treated as collectibles, and I'm pretty sure losses from them can't be deducted in any case.

But I haven't looked into that for a few years.

I disagree on two points:
1. Collectible losses are indeed deductible, except in cases of personal use, e.g., a painting hanging in your home.
2. Cryptocurrencies aren't collectibles anyway. Unless you're in a crypto-related business such as mining, they're treated as capital assets just like stocks: IRS Virtual Currency Guidance

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xenial wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:24 pm

bhsince87 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:52 pm

wrongfunds wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:10 pmCan crypto currency losses be deducted? Obviously, one will have no 1099 form to document it.

What? I've been told that crypto currencies only gain, gain, gain!

But seriously, I don't think they can be deducted. I think they are treated as collectibles, and I'm pretty sure losses from them can't be deducted in any case.

But I haven't looked into that for a few years.

I disagree on two points:
1. Collectible losses are indeed deductible, except in cases of personal use, e.g., a painting hanging in your home.
2. Cryptocurrencies aren't collectibles anyway. Unless you're in a crypto-related business such as mining, they're treated as capital assets just like stocks: IRS Virtual Currency Guidance

I must admit you may be right. It's been a few years since I've read up on cryptos. I have no doubt the legal environment is changing rapidly.

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2015 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:18 pm

MP123 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:13 pmIt would offset any capital gains up to $5k and up to $3k of regular income if there was any leftover. That would reduce your MAGI depending on your sources of income and likely help you qualify for ACA subsidies.

But that loss might turn into a gain (or at least less of a loss) too so I'm not sure you can really bank it. You might consider an HSA compatible ACA plan as another way to reduce your MAGI.

The part in bold is false. There is no limit to offsetting losses against gains. See this:

Yes agreed, but his hypothetical loss was $5k.

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Resurrecting this older thread.

I have over $75K of capital loss carry forward dating back to my stock losses taken in 2000. The annual $3K credit was nice. I retired last year, my wife a few years ago, now 60. I'm 65, on Medicare, and planning on after tax brokerage account withdrawals to fund my next 3 to 4 years that should stay unreported on my 2019 - 2021 returns with carry forward loss. I'm also counting on a nice credit for her health insurance since we'll only be reporting Social Security Income, which should be less than the max.

I'm assuming the MAGI ACA calculation isn't capturing the capital gain gross of the carry forward. Make sense?

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laidback_and_relaxed wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:37 pm
I'm assuming the MAGI ACA calculation isn't capturing the capital gain gross of the carry forward. Make sense?

That's correct.

ACA looks at MAGI from your 1040 with any municipal bond income added back in. Capital loss carry forward, suspended losses, and similar don't factor in (except to the extent that they reduce your current year taxes of course).

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Do capital losses reduce Magi for ACA? ›

ACA looks at MAGI from your 1040 with any municipal bond income added back in. Capital loss carry forward, suspended losses, and similar don't factor in (except to the extent that they reduce your current year taxes of course).

Do capital losses count toward Magi? ›

MAGI equals your adjusted gross income (AGI) plus any tax-exempt interest income. Since capital gains are a component of AGI and thus MAGI, realizing capital losses in your taxable brokerage accounts can reduce your IRMAA adjustments.

Are capital losses included in adjusted gross income? ›

Tax Rules. Capital losses can be used as deductions on the investor's tax return, just as capital gains must be reported as income.

What income is not included in Magi? ›

MAGI is adjusted gross income (AGI) plus these, if any: untaxed foreign income, non-taxable Social Security benefits, and tax-exempt interest. For many people, MAGI is identical or very close to adjusted gross income. MAGI doesn't include Supplemental Security Income (SSI).

How can I reduce my Magi for ACA? ›

If you have an HSA-qualified high-deductible health plan (HDHP), contributing to an HSA (health savings account) will also lower your MAGI. The maximum contribution amount in 2022 is $3,650 if your HDHP covers just yourself, and $7,300 if it also covers at least one other family member.

How do I reduce my modified adjusted gross income? ›

Make Contributions to a 401(k) or Thrift Savings Plan

These are two common retirement plans, with the Thrift Savings Plan being an investment option designed specifically for federal employees. Contributions to retirement plants like these can qualify to reduce MAGI.

Can you offset income with capital losses? ›

If you have more capital losses than gains, you may be able to use up to $3,000 a year to offset ordinary income on federal income taxes, and carry over the rest to future years.

Can capital losses offset against income? ›

Losses made from the sale of capital assets are not allowed to be offset against income, other than in very specific circ*mstances (broadly if you have disposed of qualifying trading company shares).

Is a capital loss an ordinary loss? ›

Ordinary losses are separate from capital losses. An ordinary loss is fully deductible to offset income thereby reducing the tax owed by a taxpayer. Capital losses occur when capital assets are sold for less than their cost.

Are capital losses offset before annual exemption? ›

Firstly, losses arising in the tax year are deducted from any other chargeable gains for the same year. All losses for the year must be deducted, even if this results in chargeable gains after losses below the level of the annual exempt amount.

Do capital losses add to standard deduction? ›

“The simple answer to your question is yes, you can deduct capital losses even if you take the standard deduction.”

Do capital gains count towards Magi? ›

Are capital gains included in Modified Adjusted Gross Income? Yes, capital gains are part of the MAGI calculation. For many taxpayers, the MAGI is similar to the AGI (adjusted gross income), but it can be higher, depending on your circ*mstances. MAGI is your AGI (line 11 of Form 1040) plus tax-exempt interest income.

What income is used to determine ACA subsidies? ›

The Marketplace uses an income number called modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) to determine eligibility for savings. It's not a line on your tax return. See what's included in MAGI and how to estimate it. Your total (or “gross”) income for the tax year, minus certain adjustments you're allowed to take.

What deductions are allowed for Magi? ›

According to the IRS, your MAGI is your AGI with the addition of the appropriate deductions, potentially including:
  • Student loan interest.
  • One-half of self-employment tax.
  • Qualified tuition expenses.
  • Tuition and fees deduction.
  • Passive loss or passive income.
  • IRA contributions.
  • Non-taxable social security payments.
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Is passive income part of magi? ›

Your modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) is your adjusted gross income (AGI) plus additional items such as student loan interest, qualified education expenses, passive income or losses, IRA contributions, and foreign income, among others.

How is ACA affordability 2023 calculated? ›

In order for your plan to be considered affordable in 2023, you'll need to ensure that your plan doesn't require any of your employees to pay more than 9.12% of their annual household income, (or $103.28 a month if you're using the FPL safe harbor).

Do itemized deductions reduce Magi? ›

Both MAGI and AGI are calculated before a taxpayer claims the standard deduction or any itemized deductions. These deductions will be factored in later—in fact, a taxpayer's AGI can indicate how much they can claim for certain deductions and credits, such as the child tax credit.

What if I overestimate my income for ACA? ›

If you over-estimate your income and end up claiming less help than you are entitled to, the difference will be refunded to you when you file your income taxes the following year. You can browse related questions in the Marketplace Verification and Appeals section.

Why is my adjusted gross income so low? ›

Adjusted Gross Income, or AGI, starts with your gross income, and is then reduced by certain “above the line” deductions. Some common examples of deductions that reduce adjusted gross income include 401(k) contributions, health savings account contributions and educator expenses.

Do Roth withdrawals count towards Magi? ›

Yes, the following must be included in your total household resources: A conversion from a regular IRA to a Roth IRA in the year the income is included in the taxpayer's Adjusted Gross Income (AGI). The amount of a qualified distribution in excess of a taxpayer's contributions (conversion or regular contributions).

What reduces gross income to AGI? ›

Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) in the simplest terms is your Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) plus a few items — like exempt or excluded income and certain deductions. The IRS uses your MAGI to determine your eligibility for certain deductions, credits and retirement plans. MAGI can vary depending on the tax benefit.

Why are my capital losses limited to $3000? ›

No capital gains? Your claimed capital losses will come off your taxable income, reducing your tax bill. Your maximum net capital loss in any tax year is $3,000. The IRS limits your net loss to $3,000 (for individuals and married filing jointly) or $1,500 (for married filing separately).

How many years can you carryover capital losses? ›

You can carry over capital losses indefinitely. Figure your allowable capital loss on Schedule D and enter it on Form 1040, Line 13. If you have an unused prior-year loss, you can subtract it from this year's net capital gains.

How long can you offset capital losses? ›

Key Takeaways. Capital losses that exceed capital gains in a year may be used to offset ordinary taxable income up to $3,000 in any one tax year. Net capital losses in excess of $3,000 can be carried forward indefinitely until the amount is exhausted.

What is the relief for capital losses? ›

What relief is available for a capital loss? Any allowable losses that arise in an accounting period may be offset against chargeable gains that accrue in the same period. Losses that cannot be utilised in this way are carried forward to be offset against future chargeable gains.

Which losses can be set off against salary income? ›

After the intra-head adjustments, the taxpayers can set off remaining losses against income from other heads. Eg. Loss from house property can be set off against salary income.

What is the difference between capital loss and non capital loss? ›

It is a loss generally realized from carrying on a business. A non-capital loss (NCL) is distinct from a capital loss in that it can be deducted against any source of income. An NCL is fully deductible in the taxation year the loss occurred.

Can you carry capital losses backwards? ›

Net Capital Loss Carryover

A corporation may carry most unused capital losses back for three years, and forward for five years. However, foreign expropriation capital losses may only be carried forward for 10 years.

Are capital losses part of itemized deductions? ›

Can I deduct my capital losses? Yes, but there are limits. Losses on your investments are first used to offset capital gains of the same type. So, short-term losses are first deducted against short-term gains, and long-term losses are deducted against long-term gains.

How does capital loss affect taxable income? ›

The IRS allows you to deduct up to $3,000 in capital losses from your ordinary income each year—or $1,500 if you're married filing separately. If you claim the $3,000 deduction, you will have $10,500 in excess loss to carry over into the following years.

Can you take the standard deduction if you have a loss? ›

The truth is, however, that the two are distinct and separate from one another. This means that you can declare a business loss and take a standard deduction on the same tax return.

Does modified adjusted income include capital gains? ›

Yes, capital gains can increase your AGI. Taxable capital gains are included in your adjusted gross income (AGI) and modified adjusted gross income (MAGI).

Is capital gains added to your total income and puts you in higher tax bracket? ›

Long-term capital gains cannot push you into a higher income tax bracket. Only short-term capital gains can accomplish that, because those gains are taxed as ordinary income. So any short-term capital gains are added to your income for the year.

Do capital gains count towards total income? ›

Capital gains are profits from the sale of a capital asset, such as shares of stock, a business, a parcel of land, or a work of art. Capital gains are generally included in taxable income, but in most cases, are taxed at a lower rate.

What are the income limits for ACA subsidy in 2023? ›

In 2023, you'll typically be eligible for ACA subsidies if you earn between $13,590 and $54,360 as an individual, or between $27,750 and $111,000 for a family of four. For most people, health insurance subsidies are available if your income is between 100% and 400% of the federal poverty level (FPL).

Does Obamacare consider assets or just income? ›

Eligibility for the ACA's premium subsidies and Medicaid expansion are based on income, without regard for assets.

Is ACA subsidy based on taxable income? ›

No. The subsidies (both premium assistance tax credits and cost-sharing) are not considered income and are not taxed. Read more: How the American Rescue Plan has boosted premium subsidies and made health coverage more affordable.

Is Magi before or after deductions? ›

In short, your MAGI is your adjusted gross income (AGI) with any tax-exempt interest income and certain deductions added back in. The IRS uses your MAGI in many ways to determine if you're eligible for certain deductions and credits, like student loan interest deductions and the Child Tax Credit.

Do pretax deductions affect Magi? ›

Pre-tax deductions — such as health insurance premiums, retirement plan contributions, or flexible spending accounts — are taken out of wages by the employer. Since this income isn't taxed, it doesn't count towards a household's MAGI.

Are tax brackets based on Magi? ›

Your AGI does not determine your tax bracket. It determines what deductions and credits you're eligible for. Your tax bracket is determined by your taxable income, which is your AGI minus deductions.

Are rental losses included in Magi? ›

1 Once your modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) reaches $150,000 (or $75,000 if married and filing separately), the IRS does not allow deductions from loss from rental properties.

Can capital loss be used to reduce taxable income? ›

You can use a net capital loss to reduce your taxable capital gain in any of the three preceding years or in any future year.

What deductions affect Magi? ›

According to the IRS, your MAGI is your AGI with the addition of the appropriate deductions, potentially including:
  • Student loan interest.
  • One-half of self-employment tax.
  • Qualified tuition expenses.
  • Tuition and fees deduction.
  • Passive loss or passive income.
  • IRA contributions.
  • Non-taxable social security payments.
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Do capital gains count against Magi? ›

Are capital gains included in Modified Adjusted Gross Income? Yes, capital gains are part of the MAGI calculation. For many taxpayers, the MAGI is similar to the AGI (adjusted gross income), but it can be higher, depending on your circ*mstances. MAGI is your AGI (line 11 of Form 1040) plus tax-exempt interest income.

What can capital losses be offset against? ›

If you have more capital losses than gains, you may be able to use up to $3,000 a year to offset ordinary income on federal income taxes, and carry over the rest to future years.

When can a capital loss be offset against income? ›

Losses made from the sale of capital assets are not allowed to be offset against income, other than in very specific circ*mstances (broadly if you have disposed of qualifying trading company shares). You cannot claim a loss made on an asset that is exempt from CGT.

When can you offset capital losses? ›

A capital loss occurs when you dispose of a capital asset for less than its tax cost base. A capital loss can only be offset against any capital gains in the same income year or carried forward to offset against future capital gains – it cannot be offset against income of a revenue nature.

Do capital losses count against income? ›

Your claimed capital losses will come off your taxable income, reducing your tax bill. Your maximum net capital loss in any tax year is $3,000. The IRS limits your net loss to $3,000 (for individuals and married filing jointly) or $1,500 (for married filing separately).

What is the 30 day rule for capital loss? ›

The wash-sale rule states that, if an investment is sold at a loss and then repurchased within 30 days, the initial loss cannot be claimed for tax purposes. So, just wait for 30 days after the sale date before repurchasing the same or similar investment.

How many years can you carry forward a capital loss? ›

You can carry over capital losses indefinitely. Figure your allowable capital loss on Schedule D and enter it on Form 1040, Line 13. If you have an unused prior-year loss, you can subtract it from this year's net capital gains.

How do I calculate my modified adjusted gross income? ›

To find your MAGI, take your AGI and add back: Any deductions you took for IRA contributions and taxable Social Security payments. Deductions you took for student loan interest.

How is Magi standard deduction calculated? ›

Traditional IRA Deductibility: MAGI is calculated by adding AGI plus the following:
  1. student loan interest deduction,
  2. foreign earned income and housing exclusions,
  3. foreign housing deduction,
  4. excluded savings bond interest,
  5. excluded employer adoption benefits, and,

Is capital gains considered modified adjusted gross income? ›

Yes, capital gains can increase your AGI. Taxable capital gains are included in your adjusted gross income (AGI) and modified adjusted gross income (MAGI).

Are capital gains included in Magi for Irmaa? ›

MAGI is the sum of all your income that is subject to tax – the most common sources for this for retirees is IRA withdrawals, capital gains, dividends, interest from CDs, and the taxable portion of your social security.

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