Dave Ramsey's 12% Return Strategy Is Replicable (2024)

You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life. ~ Winston S. Churchill

I am now stepping out of line in criticizing Dave Ramsey. When he claims one can get a 12% annual return by investing in a particular mutual fund, I understand. When he suggests that one should only invest in equities, with no regard for risk tolerance, I will say, "If that's what you want." I will no longer publicly criticize him, because for any financial professional, Dave Ramsey should be considered an ally, not an enemy.

About that 12%

Ramsey has always claimed that one can achieve a 12% annual return, because that is what the stock market, according to him, has averaged since 1926. With this, he encourages people to invest money, and over time they will become millionaires by the time they retire. He is so confident in this 12% figure, he will not budge from that number.

It is this statistic that drives the professionals crazy. Dave always fights back. In a 2014 rant, he went so far as to refer to CFPs as Certified Financial Pharisees for questioning his claims. He has even been known to take on financial professionals on Twitter about the issue. Needless to say, Dave is a little sensitive about the topic.

First things first; the S&P 500 did not start in 1926, but rather in 1923. The index, as we know it, did not have its inception until 1957. Regardless, the average for the index has been around 10% since those time periods. One just has to analyze Robert Shiller's data to verify that fact. Based on this, not only is the 12% claim optimistic, it is simply wrong. Ramsey has been known to double down on his misstatements by saying the S&P 500 is the, "…500 largest companies on the New York Stock Exchange." When he says things like this, he shows a level of naïveté that is actually charming. Regardless, it is the 12% number that so many find troubling.

Now to defend Dave. If one listens to him carefully, he often refers to a mutual fund that has averaged 12% since 1934. All of my conversations with professionals in the field leads one to conclude that he is talking about American Funds' Investment Company of America (AIVSX). Started in 1934, the ICA has averaged a 12.13% annual return since inception. When Dave says there is a mutual fund that has averaged 12% since 1934, he is telling the truth. To validate his claim, the Pioneer Fund (PIODX) has averaged 11.88% since 1928, so there is evidence to prove Dave's thesis.

So where does that leave us? One has to distinguish between Truths versus Validity. Truth is where something is factually correct. Validity is where the one's argument is logically sound. Now, here is the quirky thing about validity; if the premises are false, but the conclusion is true, then the argument can still be valid if it follows a proper construct. Dave's premises are wrong about the S&P 500. The index has only averaged 10% since the mid-1920s, and only 9% since 1871. This is far short of his 12%. However, there really is a mutual fund that has averaged 12% since 1934. There are others that have averaged a similar return over the same time period. Given that, should one still invest some money? The answer is, "Yes," or as Dave says it, "Invest some freaking money." It does not matter whether one yields 9% or 18%, they are still better than zero, which is the growth rate when one invests nothing.

Asset Allocation

This is how Dave says one should invest:

Divide your investments equally between each of these four types of funds: Growth, Growth & Income, Aggressive Growth, and International. Choose A-shares (front end load) and funds that are at least five years old. They should have a solid track record of acceptable returns within their fund category.

Dave is taken to task on these issues by financial professionals for a variety of reasons. Two are that he does not recommend fixed income, and the other is that he recommends A-shares.

On the issue of all-equity investing, Dave says this about investing in debt securities, "I personally do not like bonds for several reasons. First, it's based on debt, and it's no secret what I think about debt-borrowing or lending." This is from his book, Complete Guide to Money. Dave makes no secret that he is a Christian. Anyone who has studied the bible will see multiple verses and proverbs warning about debt and usury. For Dave and other Christians, profiting from debt would be considered a sin, so one should not do it. While I do invest in fixed income (20%), it is a completely valid to invest in an all-equity portfolio, as long as one understands the risks.

Additional arguments made about Dave's asset allocation focus on his equal allocation among the four mentioned asset classes. Again, Dave may be valid, even though one may not think he is right. Let's not hide one simple fact, Dave is always referencing funds and using language from American Funds. He talks about American Funds ICA, often. When he talks about Aggressive Growth, Growth, Growth and Income, and International, he is using the same asset classifications as American Funds do. Edward Jones also uses this same language, and that company is famous for their relationship with American Funds.

Why is it important to know that? It is important so one can understand that his investment philosophy is valid, because American Funds is now mirroring it with their Growth Portfolio. The asset mix is as follows:

  • Growth and Income-30% Fundamental Investors Fund (ANCFX)
  • Growth-30% AMCAP Fund (AMCPX)
  • International-25% EuroPacific Growth Fund (AEPGX)
  • Aggressive Growth-15% Smallcap World Fund (SMCWX)

This is not equally allocated as Dave recommends, but Dave has said:

If your risk tolerance is low, which means you have a shorter time to keep your money invested, put less than 25% in aggressive growth.

Does this American Funds' allocation work? I used a hypothetical beginning April 30, 1990. $250 was invested monthly with annual increases of 3%. The funds were rebalanced annually based on the aforementioned allocations. The returns? 9.43% per year would have been realized, which would have beaten the benchmark (8.04%) for the same period. This includes the fees and loads. So one can understand the risks, 2008 saw a 38.89% loss. It is easy to see that there are risks with this style of investing. Additionally, it is worth noting that this return is far short of 12%, but it is far better than 0%.

A-Shares and Paying For an Advisor

What about those A-shares and their upfront loads? Those pesky little fees that one has to pay just get started? The total of the loads amounted to a 4.09% in up front charges over the 25 year period. One might ask, "Why should I pay that?" The answer is simple. If one seeks the advice of a financial professional, then one should have to pay for the advice. Dave not only recommends hiring an advisor, but he even outlines how to hire one.

Is paying for advice worth it? The answer, again, is yes. Dave says:

People who invest by themselves cash out nearly twice as often as investors who work with a pro because they panic and cash out their investments at the wrong time. And, because investors who work with an investing professional pick better funds and hold onto their investments during down markets, they average 3% more on their money than do-it-yourself investors.

To support the decision to hire an advisor, one can look at the Bible to warrant this position. From Proverbs 15:22, we have, "Plans fail for lack of counsel, but with many advisers they succeed."

Actually, the difference is even bigger and deeper. Here are the facts, people are generally terrible at handling their money on their own. According the Dalbar Quantitative Analysis of Investor Behavior, the average equity investor has actually underperformed the S&P 500 by approximately 400 basis points per year over the last 20 years. That is a shocking underperformance that would keep anyone from achieving their goals. The conclusion of the study states:

The future success in the investment business will belong to those who manage prudently and relieve investors of the burden of learning the business themselves.

Quite simply, the average investor does not have the time or the willingness to learn about the investment world.

The hypothetical is pretty clear, the portfolio returned an extra $75,266; that is after one accounts for the loads. If one accesses an advisor, and uses A-shares, then yielding a healthy positive return over time is possible. One still might beat the benchmarks. That fact cannot be disputed, so maybe Dave is valid after all.

I know this site caters to those who which to allocate their money on their own. It might even seem possible to just follow Dave's mutual fund allocation strategy, and call it the day. Even if one wants to buy mutual funds, and allocate those without the advice of a financial advisor, there are benefits to hiring a professional. A reputable advisor will have access to economists, market data, reports, and analysts that are not available to the do-it-yourself investor. This is the type of professional advice that will benefit an amateur. Additionally, when you take that 2008 punch in the mouth, will you stick with your plan, or will you bail, and hide everything in a mattress? The investors who came out of that fiscal fiasco are the ones who did the best, and an advisor can help one navigate through those scary waters.

Concluding Thoughts

As much as I enjoy managing my own assets, I do access the advice of other professionals in the field. No one person is able to understand everything. That advice might be through a mutual fund manager for my 401k, or it might be through a CFP to help me navigate through any specific issues I have. As for achieving 12%, I have personally achieved that amount over the last 12 years, but I will not claim that is always possible in the future. No one can predict that, and anyone who does is a fool. Even the model portfolio based on Dave Ramsey falls short of that mark. I am comfortable, though, predicting that over the next 20 years the market will be up, so I am pretty aggressive right now. As for asset allocation, I prefer to use a blend from the American Association of Individual Investors:

  • 20%--Large-Cap Stocks
  • 20%--Mid-Cap Stocks
  • 15%--Small-Cap Stocks
  • 17.5%--International Stocks
  • 7.5%--Emerging Markets Stocks
  • 10%--Intermediate Bonds

So in the end, Dave is crazy like a fox. Access the advice of a professional, diversify over several classes, follow a strict strategy, and don't be afraid to pay for the advice. Oh yeah, don't forget to invest some money.

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Dave Ramsey's 12% Return Strategy Is Replicable (2024)

FAQs

Is 12% return on investment realistic? ›

Get real! If you invested 15% of a $50,000 salary from age 25 to 65 (assuming a 12% average annual rate of return), you would have more than $7 million saved up in your retirement accounts by the time you retire. And that's assuming you don't get a single raise over the course of your lifetime—which is highly unlikely!

What is the rule of 72 Dave Ramsey answers? ›

Divide 72 by the interest rate on the investment you're looking at. The number you get is the number of years it will take until your investment doubles itself.

How do you find 12% return on investment? ›

ROI is calculated by subtracting the initial cost of the investment from its final value, then dividing this new number by the cost of the investment, and finally, multiplying it by 100.

What is the 12 percent rule? ›

A borrower who pays 12% interest on their credit card (or any other form of loan that is charging compound interest) will double the amount they owe in six years. The rule can also be used to find the amount of time it takes for money's value to halve due to inflation.

Why does Dave Ramsey use 12 percent? ›

Ramsey has always claimed that one can achieve a 12% annual return, because that is what the stock market, according to him, has averaged since 1926. With this, he encourages people to invest money, and over time they will become millionaires by the time they retire.

Is 15% annual return realistic? ›

It is not worth your time to do any investment if it cannot bring you 12 to 15 percent per year. Investing properly is not a gamble. We should not lose money in the stock market on a long term basis. In fact, a near guaranteed return of 15% or higher is a realistic expectation.

Does the Rule of 72 really work? ›

The Rule of 72 is derived from a more complex calculation and is an approximation, and therefore it isn't perfectly accurate. The most accurate results from the Rule of 72 are based at the 8 percent interest rate, and the farther from 8 percent you go in either direction, the less precise the results will be.

Do mutual funds double every 7 years? ›

The average return on mutual funds doubles every seven years. The Rule of 72 states that an investment's value doubles every seven years if its return is at least 10.4%. It is true for most mutual funds, whose average returns are more than 10.4%.

What is the magic Rule of 72? ›

The Rule of 72 is a simple way to determine how long an investment will take to double given a fixed annual rate of interest. By dividing 72 by the annual rate of return, investors obtain a rough estimate of how many years it will take for the initial investment to duplicate itself.

What will $10,000 be worth in 20 years? ›

With that, you could expect your $10,000 investment to grow to $34,000 in 20 years.

What is the average return on $500 000 investment? ›

However most estimates suggest that you can expect average returns up to 14%.

How to turn $100 K into $1 million in 5 years? ›

Consider investing in rental properties or real estate investment trusts (REIT). The real estate market is a fertile setting for a $100k investment to yield $1 million. And it's possible for this to happen between 5 to 10 years. You can achieve this if you continue to add new properties to your portfolio.

What is the 12% rule of 72? ›

Just take the number 72 and divide it by the interest rate you hope to earn. That number gives you the approximate number of years it will take for your investment to double. As you can see, a one-time contribution of $10,000 doubles six more times at 12 percent than at 3 percent.

What is the 120 rule in stocks? ›

The 120-age investment rule states that a healthy investing approach means subtracting your age from 120 and using the result as the percentage of your investment dollars in stocks and other equity investments.

What is the 120 age investment rule? ›

The Rule of 120 (previously known as the Rule of 100) says that subtracting your age from 120 will give you an idea of the weight percentage for equities in your portfolio.

What is the Ramsey 15% rule? ›

We recommend you save 15% of your gross income for retirement, which means you should be investing $688 each month into your 401(k) and IRA. If you did that for 25 years, you could end up cracking the $1 million mark at age 65. That's right—you would be a millionaire!

What is the 80 20 rule Dave Ramsey? ›

There's an 80-20 rule for money Dave Ramsey teaches which says managing your finances is 80 percent behavior and 20 percent knowledge. This 80-20 rule also applies to constructing a healthy life. Personal wellness is 80 percent behavior and 20 percent knowledge.

What is the 25% rule Ramsey? ›

To calculate how much house you can afford, use the 25% rule—never spend more than 25% of your monthly take-home pay (after tax) on monthly mortgage payments. That 25% limit includes principal, interest, property taxes, home insurance, PMI and don't forget to consider HOA fees.

Can you get 20% annual return? ›

A 20% return is possible, but it's a pretty significant return, so you either need to take risks on volatile investments or spend more time invested in safer investments.

Is 7% return on investment realistic? ›

According to conventional wisdom, an annual ROI of approximately 7% or greater is considered a good ROI for an investment in stocks. This is also about the average annual return of the S&P 500, accounting for inflation. Because this is an average, some years your return may be higher; some years they may be lower.

Is 30% annual return possible? ›

To get an annualized (compounded annually) 30% stock market return, Mark would probably need a 200/0 allocation. Yes, Mark would need a portfolio composed of 200% stocks. Anyone familiar with math knows that anything over 100% is not possible.

Can you live off interest of one million dollars? ›

Once you have $1 million in assets, you can look seriously at living entirely off the returns of a portfolio. After all, the S&P 500 alone averages 10% returns per year. Setting aside taxes and down-year investment portfolio management, a $1 million index fund could provide $100,000 annually.

What will $5000 be worth in 20 years? ›

Answer and Explanation: The calculated present worth of $5,000 due in 20 years is $1,884.45.

What's the future value of a $1000 investment compounded at 8% semiannually for five years? ›

An investment of $1,000 made today will be worth $1,480.24 in five years at interest rate of 8% compounded semi-annually.

What if I invest $5,000 in mutual funds for 5 years? ›

According to Post Office RD Calculator, if you invest Rs 5,000 per month for five years the total return on your investment will be Rs 48,740 (with monthly compounding frequency). So the total amount that you will get after five years would be Rs 3,48,740.

What if I invest $5,000 in mutual funds for 10 years? ›

Calculation of SIP returns

To understand this, let us take an example. A monthly investment of Rs 5,000 for 10 years at an expected rate of return of 12 per cent will earn you Rs 11.61 lakh. The gains made by you in this scenario will be approximately Rs 5.61 lakh (Rs 11.61 lakh minus 5000*10*12).

Does your 401k double every 7 years? ›

When does money double every seven years? To use the Rule of 72 to figure out when your money will double itself, all you need to know is the annual rate of expected return. If this is 10%, then you'll divide 72 by 10 (the expected rate of return) to get 7.2 years.

What is the problem with the Rule of 72? ›

Other than the fact that this is only an estimating tool, the other issue with the rule is that it generally applies to longer periods of time. When estimating over longer periods, the ability to achieve consistent returns is problematic, so the actual returns achieved are likely to vary from what the rule indicates.

What is the magic rule number rule 78? ›

The Rule of 78s is also known as the sum of the digits. In fact, the 78 is a sum of the digits of the months in a year: 1 plus 2 plus 3 plus 4, etc., to 12, equals 78. Under the rule, each month in the contract is assigned a value which is exactly the reverse of its occurrence in the contract.

What interest rate does money double in 10 years? ›

Similarly, if you are preparing for a long-term objective, you will need a rate of return of 7.5% (72/10= 7.2) to double your money in 10 years.

Can I retire on $300000? ›

In most cases $300,000 is simply not enough money on which to retire early. If you retire at age 60, you will have to live on your $15,000 drawdown and nothing more. This is close to the $12,760 poverty line for an individual and translates into a monthly income of about $1,250 per month.

Is it possible to save $1 million dollars in 20 years? ›

It'll take a lot of discipline and a high savings rate, but it's doable: “I call it the 50-20 formula: $50 a day for 20 years at a 10% rate of return is over $1 million.” If you save for 30 years, based on that formula, you'd have about $3.39 million, he says.

What is $20 worth from 100 years ago? ›

Value of $20 from 1800 to 2023
Cumulative price change2,295.52%
Converted amount $20 base$479.10
Price difference $20 base$459.10
CPI in 180012.600
CPI in 2023301.836
4 more rows

Can I retire at 60 with 500k? ›

With some planning, you can retire at 60 with $500k. Remember, however, that your lifestyle will significantly affect how long your savings will last. If you're content to live modestly and don't plan on significant life changes (like travel or starting a business), you can make your $500k last much longer.

Can you retire at 55 with 500k? ›

Can I retire at 55 with $500k? Yes, you can retire at 55 with five hundred thousand dollars. At age 55, an annuity will provide a guaranteed income of $24,688 annually, starting immediately for the rest of the insured's lifetime. The income will stay the same and never decrease.

Am I rich with 500k? ›

Based on that figure, an annual income of $500,000 or more would make you rich. The Economic Policy Institute uses a different baseline to determine who constitutes the top 1% and the top 5%. For 2021, you're in the top 1% if you earn $819,324 or more each year.

Can $1 million dollars last 30 years in retirement? ›

Assuming you will need $40,000 per year to cover your basic living expenses, your $1 million would last for 25 years if there was no inflation. However, if inflation averaged 3% per year, your $1 million would only last for 20 years.

Can 5 million dollars last a lifetime? ›

Is It Enough to Live Comfortably? The answer to this question is a resounding yes! You can retire on five million dollars. You could retire quite comfortably on that amount of money.

How long will $1 5 million last in retirement? ›

If you retire at 62, you can reasonably expect to live to 82 if you're a man or almost to 85 if you're a woman, according to data from the Social Security Administration. That means your $1.5 million portfolio needs to last at least 20 years, but it can also grow.

What is the rule of 21 in investing? ›

The theory is that if the PE ratio plus inflation is less than 21, then the market still represents value, whereas if this value exceeds 21, the market is becoming expensive.

Why is the Rule of 72 not the best way to save for retirement? ›

Retirees should remember that the rule of 72 is a rough estimate and does not consider triple-compounding from the annuity. This means that the actual length of time it will take for the investment to double could be less or more than what is estimated using the rule.

What is the Rule of 72 for dummies? ›

At 6% interest, your money takes 72/6 or 12 years to double. To double your money in 10 years, get an interest rate of 72/10 or 7.2%. If your country's GDP grows at 3% a year, the economy doubles in 72/3 or 24 years. If your growth slips to 2%, it will double in 36 years.

What is the 25% rule in stocks? ›

Here's a specific rule to help boost your prospects for long-term stock investing success: Once your stock has broken out, take most of your profits when they reach 20% to 25%. If market conditions are choppy and decent gains are hard to come by, then you could exit the entire position.

What is the 80% rule stock? ›

In investing, the 80-20 rule generally holds that 20% of the holdings in a portfolio are responsible for 80% of the portfolio's growth. On the flip side, 20% of a portfolio's holdings could be responsible for 80% of its losses.

What is the 80% rule in stock market? ›

Now, you must be wondering how the 80-20 rule works in the US stock market. To sum this up, here are a few 80-20 rule examples: 80% of your portfolio's returns in the market may be traced to 20% of your investments. 80% of your portfolio's losses may be traced to 20% of your investments.

At what age should you stop investing? ›

You probably want to hang it up around the age of 70, if not before. That's not only because, by that age, you are aiming to conserve what you've got more than you are aiming to make more, so you're probably moving more money into bonds, or an immediate lifetime annuity.

Is 70 too late to start investing? ›

No matter your age, there is never a wrong time to start investing. Let's take a look at three hypothetical examples below.

What age is too late to start investing? ›

No matter how old or young you are, it is never too late to start investing in the stock market. Investing now will allow you to take advantage of compounding returns sooner rather than later. This can make all the difference when it comes down to long-term financial goals such as retirement.

Is it easy to get 10% return on investment? ›

Yes, a 10% annual return is realistic. There are several investment vehicles that have historically generated 10% annual returns: stocks, REITs, real estate, peer-to-peer lending, and more.

How much money do I need to invest to make $3000 a month? ›

According to FIRE, your portfolio should cover 25 times your annual expenses. Then, if you withdraw 4% of your portfolio every year, your portfolio will continue to grow and won't be compromised. We can apply this formula to the goal of making $3,000 a month like this: $3,000 x 12 months x 25 years = $900,000.

What is a good real return on investment? ›

What Is a Good ROI? According to conventional wisdom, an annual ROI of approximately 7% or greater is considered a good ROI for an investment in stocks. This is also about the average annual return of the S&P 500, accounting for inflation.

What is a reasonable return to expect on investments? ›

A good return on investment is generally considered to be about 7% per year, based on the average historic return of the S&P 500 index, and adjusting for inflation. But of course what one investor considers a good return might not be ideal for someone else.

Is 20% return on investment good? ›

Most investors would view an average annual rate of return of 10% or more as a good ROI for long-term investments in the stock market. However, keep in mind that this is an average. Some years will deliver lower returns -- perhaps even negative returns. Other years will generate significantly higher returns.

Can you get 20 percent return on investment? ›

A 20% return is possible, but it's a pretty significant return, so you either need to take risks on volatile investments or spend more time invested in safer investments.

How much will $10,000 invested be worth in 10 years? ›

We started with $10,000 and ended up with $3,498 in interest after 10 years in an account with a 3% annual yield. But by depositing an additional $100 each month into your savings account, you'd end up with $27,475 after 10 years, when compounded daily.

Can I live off interest on a million dollars? ›

Once you have $1 million in assets, you can look seriously at living entirely off the returns of a portfolio. After all, the S&P 500 alone averages 10% returns per year. Setting aside taxes and down-year investment portfolio management, a $1 million index fund could provide $100,000 annually.

How much money a month to make $100,000 a year? ›

If you're earning $100,000 per year, your average monthly (gross) income is $8,333.

How much do I need to save to be a millionaire in 5 years? ›

Although hitting a home run with an investment is what dreams are made of, the most realistic path is to put aside big chunks of money every year. The historical average return for the S&P 500 index is 8%. With that return, you'd have to invest $157,830 each year for five years in order to reach $1 million.

Is 8% return on investment realistic? ›

In the case of the stock market, people can make, on average, from 5% to 7% on returns. According to many financial investors, 7% is an excellent return rate for most, while 5% is enough to be considered a 'good' return.

What is a reasonable rate of return after retirement? ›

Many consider a conservative rate of return in retirement 10% or less because of historical returns. Here's what you need to know. Need help planning for retirement? A financial advisor can help you manage your portfolio, figure out how much income you'll need and assist in other important decisions.

What is a good rate of return on 401k? ›

Many retirement planners suggest the typical 401(k) portfolio generates an average annual return of 5% to 8% based on market conditions. But your 401(k) return depends on different factors like your contributions, investment selection and fees.

What investment has the highest return? ›

Stocks offer the biggest potential return on your investment while exposing your money to the highest level of volatility.

What is the average stock market return over 30 years? ›

Stock market returns since 1930

This is a return on investment of 574,555.93%, or 9.75% per year. This lump-sum investment beats inflation during this period for an inflation-adjusted return of about 31,694.60% cumulatively, or 6.39% per year.

What is the average stock market return over 40 years? ›

Over the long term, the average historical stock market return has been about 7% a year after inflation.

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