997.1 Vs 997.2: What Are Their Differences? | Porsche Every Day (2024)

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What year 997 to avoid? ›

We recommend staying away from the 2004, 2005, 2006, 2009, and 2011 models. These won't provide the most value for your investment. The faults in the Porsche 997 lie in the engine, cooling system, and paint on the car. These troubles can be expensive to handle, especially with a Porsche.

Thanks to its better reliability and minimal technology intervention, Hexagon Classics' view is that the 997.2 is the last 911 that offers the perfect balance of minimal driver aids and great sports performance. As an official Porsche dealer in the 1970's, Hexagon Classics understand Porsches better than most.

The year 2023 will be a big one for 997 owners around the world, as it becomes an official Porsche classic.

All these improvements led to dizzying performance statistics. According to Porsche, the 997 Turbo does 0-60 in 3.9 (manual) and 3.7 (tiptronic) and has a top speed of 193 mph. It is important to note that the 997.2 did away with the Mezger engine in favour of a unit with more power and torque and updated the interior.

TL;DR: Pricing moving up for existing 997.2 owners is good, but bad for those trying to get into one for the first time. Folks with much more disposable income driving up prices of cars with less in mind on utility, but collectability. Prices right now too high, and will likely keep going up.

Porsche 997 GT3 and GT3RS

The lighter, harder, RS is widely regarded as one of the finest road-going driver's cars of all time, especially in ultra-rare and chillingly expensive 4.0-litre guise. For many, this is peak Porsche – the perfect modern balance of performance and feedback.

The year 2023 will be a big one for 997 owners around the world, as it becomes an official Porsche classic. It's been on quite a journey already.

One of the important highlights of the 997.2 generation was the hydraulic steering. it was the last generation of the 911 to have one before going with an electric-assisted rack in the 991.

If you own or are considering buying a 911 Porsche model/year prior to 2009, you need to know about the issues with the IMS bearings in the 996 and 997 generations. It is well known that these cars had a problem in the intermediate shaft (IMS) that drove the engines' camshafts, resulting in engine failure.

A: The average price of a 911 Carrera - 997.2 is $50,447.

When did the 997.2 start production? ›

The 997.2 introduced in the fall of 2008 for model year 2009 at last did away with the IMS bearing and introduced direct-injection and Porsche's brilliant PDK gearbox.

Let's magnify how rare this particular example is, with a model year that started in 2010 and concluded in 2013, only 488 997.2 N.A market Turbos were equipped with a manual transmission. Out of those 488 units, only 7 were painted in Aqua Blue. Out of the 7, only 5 came with a Black Full Leather interior.

Yes, the 997 model is hugely reliable, and a popular choice among Porsche owners. There are however good and bad 997 options, so we want you to have all of the details before proceeding. The first thing to consider when looking at a used car is the service guide.

The 997.1 Turbo was the last of its kind. The 473-horsepower 3.8 liter flax-six is based on the 911 GT1, and is the last turbocharged Mezger engine. That alone makes it special, but the details make it extra unique.

The 2022 Porsche 911 is our top pick for the best model year value for the 911. With the 2022, you would only pay, on average, 100% of the price as new, with 100% of the vehicle's useful life remaining. The 2021 and 2020 model years are also attractive years for the 911, and provide a relatively good value.

Porsche produced only 500 units of the 997 GT2 RS globally.

The 964-generation Porsche 911 3.6-liter Turbo has increasingly become one of the most desired Porsche models over the years. Of the near 63,000+ 964-generation Porsche 911 examples produced for the world, only around 1,427 of those were 3.6-liter Turbo cars.

Not to nitpick, but the difference is that in 2009 model year, Porsche eliminated the IMS bearing completely.

In short, the Porsche 911 is a good daily driver platform for potential owners who want a sports car to handle commutes.

Every 997 is an everyday supercar and can be driven in any weather.

Is 997.1 water cooled? ›

The 997 is one of those cars which still looks modern today. It retains the classic, or dare I say, “iconic” 911 silhouette but has aged so well it barely looks four years old let alone 15. Under the bonnet, or boot in this case is that 3.8L water-cooled flat six engine.

During 2009, Porsche updated the 997 line-up including styling changes, a revised engine with direct injection and the introduction of the company's new "PDK" dual clutch transmission. As a result, the updated 997 models were faster, lighter and more fuel efficient than the outgoing versions, with improved handling.

Porsche 911 Turbo - 997.2 (2010 to 2013)

The 997.2 Turbo was introduced for the 2010 model year and received a new 3.8 litre engine capable of 493 horsepower, a significant evolution as compared to the 473hp in the 997.1 Turbo.

Like the original Porsche flat-six, the Mezger engine has dry-sump lubrication and basically zero chance of intermediate shaft bearing failures. This iteration of the Mezger engine had already proven itself in competition by powering the 911 to a GT1 class win at Le Mans in 1998.

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Since it has also been verifiably documented that some IMS bearings have failed after just 3,000 miles, while others still have lasted for 200,000 miles or more, the only safe conclusion that can be drawn is that all M96 and some M97 engines in Porsche 911's (996 or 997), and all Boxsters (986/987) from 1997 through ...

There are three warnings signs which can indicate a bearing is failing; you've found metallic debris in the oil filter while carrying out an oil change, or you may have found that there's an oil leak located at rear of engine, or you would have started to hear knocking and metallic sounds coming from the rear of the ...

Depending on which bearing is used, the recommended service interval varies by time and mileage, whichever comes first: Classic Single Row IMS Retrofit (which was superseded by the Single Row Pro) - 4 years or 50,000 miles. Single Row Pro and Classic Dual Row IMS Retrofit - 6 years or 75,000 miles.

If you own a Porsche 996, Boxster 986 or a very early Boxster 987, Cayman 987 or 3.6 or very early 3.8 997, you are sure to have read some of the horror stories about IMS bearing problems.

The Porsche 911 and Porsche Boxster from model year 1997 to 2005 have a high failure rate of the intermediate shaft bearing also known as an IMS bearing. Its design and construction lead to premature failure of the bearing, which results in catastrophic engine failure.

At what mileage does IMS fail? ›

IMS bearing failure can happen anytime. Some bearings have failed just after 3,000 miles while others have lasted for 200,000 miles or longer. Failure is unpredictable and irrespective of mileage. There can be many reasons for IMS bearing failure, and it can be due to a combination of causes.

The 997.2 introduced in the fall of 2008 for model year 2009 at last did away with the IMS bearing and introduced direct-injection and Porsche's brilliant PDK gearbox.

On average, IMS bearing replacement can run $3500-4500 but the cost to have the IMS bearing changed in a Boxster or 911 can vary greatly depending on regional labor rates and also how much deferred maintenance has to be carried out.

Porsche 911 engine mileage can be rated at 100,000 miles and 10 years. Like any vehicle, Porsche 911s last longer with proper and routine maintenance and care. Most Porsche vehicles will last you up to the 150,000-mile marker and beyond.

While we would hope that it wouldn't come to this, if the IMS bearing failure has progressed significantly, you will likely hear loud rattling noises when starting the engine or pressing the accelerator.

The incidence of failure with a 2006-2008 M96 or M97 Engine as found in the Boxster, Cayman, and 911 that have the larger (but non-serviceable) IMS is highly unlikely. We would estimate about a 1% failure rate. If you have the non-serviceable bearing, the IMS can be changed with complete engine disassembly.

Keep the engine's RPM above 2500 rpm – your IMS bearing will thank you! The faster you spin the IMS bearing, the longer it will last less it will wear, and less lubrication it needs.

Is it a reliable car? Yes, the 997 model is hugely reliable, and a popular choice among Porsche owners. There are however good and bad 997 options, so we want you to have all of the details before proceeding. The first thing to consider when looking at a used car is the service guide.

The 997.1 Turbo was the last of its kind. The 473-horsepower 3.8 liter flax-six is based on the 911 GT1, and is the last turbocharged Mezger engine.

Production of the 997 Gen II model began in late 2008. Initially available models included coupé and cabriolet versions of the Carrera, Carrera 4, Carrera S and Carrera 4S.